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NHPluminator
NHPluminator Member Posts: 17
alot of you wont like this ..however...

these thing are made a way for a reason ..like showerheads and toilet flush tanks... 2.5 gpm showerheads .. 1.6 gal flush tanks.. 1 big thing is IT'S THE LAW !!!!!! UM LIKE EVERYWERE!!!! IN THE USA!!!! WANT ME TO GET OUT MY CODE BOOK ON YOU ALL ?? HOME OWNERS MAY DO THERE OWN WORK AS LONG AS IT IS TO > CODE < ALTERING THESE THINS ISN'T

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  • NHPluminator
    NHPluminator Member Posts: 17
    altering factorie things ect...

    alot of you wont like this ..however...

    these thing are made a way for a reason ..like showerheads and toilet flush tanks... 2.5 gpm showerheads .. 1.6 gal flush tanks.. 1 big thing is IT'S THE LAW !!!!!! UM LIKE EVERYWERE!!!! IN THE USA!!!! WANT ME TO GET OUT MY CODE BOOK ON YOU ALL ?? HOME OWNERS MAY DO THERE OWN WORK AS LONG AS IT IS TO > CODE < ALTERING THESE THINS ISN'T
  • Empire_2
    Empire_2 Member Posts: 2,343
    ? Are you mad At someone?

    Wow, you sound very P.O'ed is something that got your goat?.
  • Constantin
    Constantin Member Posts: 3,796
    I sorta have the feeling this refers to the showerhead post...

    ... but it somehow got posted as a new thread instead of being part of the old one. I guess the point NH PLumber is trying to make is that posting how to defeat flow restrictors may be against the law.

    I have yet to live with anything but 2.5GPM showerheads, so I don't know what I'm missing...
  • Boiler Guy
    Boiler Guy Member Posts: 585
    I suspect

    you are correct. There seemed to be an obsession with extra flow for this showerhead but, it left me wondering if the problem wasn't much deeper rooted. If the supply piping in the structure is undersized or excessively long, changing the showerhead just might make the problem worse.
    Just a thought.
  • Steve_35
    Steve_35 Member Posts: 546


    A showerhead is designed to deliver 2.5gpm at a given pressure. Do you know what that pressure is? 80psi. What if your pressure is 50psi? Or even 30psi as many well systems are?

    You may certainly alter your own flow restricting showerhead. In fact, you may actually be BRINGING it up to code.
  • Constantin
    Constantin Member Posts: 3,796
    I agree...

    The 2.5GPM restrictors are meant for proper water pressure conditions, many houses don't have them due to the reasons you state. Nevermind incoming pressure issues, scale, and other problems that crop up as infrastructure ages.

    It's one reason we have a Amtrol pressure pump on the supply side of the house. With only 30psi at flow to start with and 35' of head inside the house on the top floor, anything else would result in "tinkle, tinkle, little stars..." showers with the (best case) 18psi left at the shower-valve.

    Our plumbers looked at me funny when I demanded 1" pipes, etc... however, the cost of the installation is not driven by the materials, it's the labor. And installing 3/4" piping is not much different from 1" piping. I'll pay the extra to be sure I have enough water, even if 4 showers are going at the same time. With recirculation, the only reason not to have large pipes falls by the wayside.
  • Plumdog
    Plumdog Member Posts: 18
    Press/Flow Code Baloney

    Have you seen the Master Suite Shower assemblies that are the rage now? You can have as many showerheads as you want with gigantic supply pipes to make sure the flow is all that and more. Remember when Kramer's buddies were selling the Magnum 44 showerheads out of the trunk of their car? They were so powerful that they were only for use in the zoo for showering Elephants. I have one these in my house but I won't tell you where to get it.
  • Constantin
    Constantin Member Posts: 3,796
    Sooner or later...

    ... that loophole will be closed also. The question is whether by law or economics. Either the EPA will wise up to this "side-step" or water will become sufficiently expensive that people revert to regular showers. For all we know, it'll be fashionable in the future to conserve resources rather than waste them. Besides, for all the "cool" factor these systems exude, my experience is somewhat negative with them.

    The guy that built an apartment building I lived in over in the FRG had an obsession with such body showers. The bathroom I shared with my brother had a shower with 7 nozzles in total, 3 on each side, one on top, all in a 3x3' stall.

    I found actually showering with the side puppies "on" to be quite difficult... everything would rinse before one could even apply it, the water would get sprayed at your head from close range when you leaned down to get the legs, etc. Never mind the unending battle against lime scaling causing usually-good-natured jets to turn into water knives. Thus, most of the time, the side-sprayers stayed off.
  • Weezbo
    Weezbo Member Posts: 6,232
    do any of you know of saltwater mains and beach showers

    they wash the sand off or blast you with some ocean water before taking a dip? are these Banned in America too?
  • Constantin
    Constantin Member Posts: 3,796
    Every beach shower I have ever used...

    .... was piped with potable water. Many people are sensitive to having dried slatwater on their skin, hence these showers to get the salt off. Also, you need a special formulation soap or shampoo to work well with salt water, the same as with any high-hardness water.
  • NHPluminator
    NHPluminator Member Posts: 17
    being mad..

    yes and no...im mad because i see so many illeagaly & unsafe things in cutomers homes ect..( done by mr homeowner useually), or ulicenced contractors ....
    and just the fact that water is not ..or atleast i have been told , by someone who is very involved in the plumbing board ect and has been at this ALOT longer than I... that water isn't one of our resources that replenishis itself naturaly ..so go ahead with your 6 showerhead showers ect..at 3 gpm +, so that our children have to pay for our mistakes ...even more.(shakes head ) <--- me ..it may seem little now but someday ....it wont.
  • NHPluminator
    NHPluminator Member Posts: 17


    how could he bring it up to code when the code says showerhead shall be 2.5gpm @ 80 psi...? that IS code...period ...there is nothing in the code book that says if the psi is higher u can drill things out.
  • NHPluminator
    NHPluminator Member Posts: 17
    saltwater showers

    i have never seen them mentioned in the code book ...hmmm im gonne have to ask about then ..
  • Steve_35
    Steve_35 Member Posts: 546
    Obviously the design doesn't

    give you the same flow at varying pressures so it seems the intent is to deliver 2.5gpm. So a bigger hole at lower pressure will be needed to deliver the same flow.

    Frankly, I view this much like the tags you see on furniture and mattresses notifying you it's against the law to remove the tag. Once it's home you can do what the heck you want with the tag.

    BTW, you probably wouldn't drill the head out if the pressure is higher than 80psi, just if it's lower than 80psi.
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