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The German Way

Leo G_99
Leo G_99 Member Posts: 223
install using the Bekotec system. Interesting to say the least....

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  • Constantin
    Constantin Member Posts: 3,796
    Very cool stuff...

    ... from what I can tell, it is geared mostly towards bathrooms and other areas where a stone subsurface is desired and where no one will be shooting nails through the stuff later either. 'cause once the screed is installed, you'll have pretty much no idea where the pipes are...

    On the other hand, yet another interesting use for polystyrene. I thought the Bekotec installation intructions were pretty interesting, particularly WRT the additional membrane that has to be installed on top of the screed. Looks like someone thought long and hard how to tie customers into multiple products at the same time.
  • Robert O'Connor_7
    Robert O'Connor_7 Member Posts: 688
    leo...

    Is it as good as it looks? Cause it sure looks good. Tell me more. Is the product easy to work with? pros or cons overall and what about availability??? Inquiring minds want to know????Robert O'Connor/NJ
  • Weezbo
    Weezbo Member Posts: 6,232
    oki *~/:) Remember me?

    now the stuff i am looking for is Blue and allows the placement of different sizes of tubing as well *~/:)
  • Brian (Tankless)
    Brian (Tankless) Member Posts: 340
    You are not

    Forgotten, Wheezy.

    I know exactly what you're looking for, but my mind is as befuddled & forgetful as my old computer that C & B'd (crashed & burned) just before Jesus's birthday.

    Are you talking about an insulated panel system that lays down and you just pop pex into it on any centres you choose? Then you have the option of either eether :O) pouring gypcrete on, or installing other flooring materials on top of that?

    If I ever am able to resurrect my dinosoar P2 hard drive, I'll find photo's & links to it for you.

    In the meantime, good luck.

    Brian (Tankless in Swampland) Wood.



  • Leo G_99
    Leo G_99 Member Posts: 223
    Robert

    the builder is of German descent and found this product on the web. He is installing it on all floors as he thought it would make the system more effecient. He has said that now that he has used it, he probably would not use it again. the actuall laying of the board is some what time consuming as it can only be installed one way, it is sort of tongue and groove. Also, he ended up having to have his cement guys using dry pack, a the leveling nipples are very easily destroyed, and the styro is quite soft. I had to lay the tubing in my socks. There is a level "nipple" on about every 10th bump. The way we did the install was to have my helper stay in one spot and pull the tube from the decoiler, as I worked into the grooves. Very hard on this aging back. Though I will say that after it is installed it sure looks great. Also, because the topping is only about 3/4" of an inch thick above the tubing, I ran most of the rooms at 6" centres. I think that there may be a better chance for "striping" with this product. The product took about 6 weeks to arrive from Germany, as the rep had just run out, though it does land in a U.S. port then shipped up here from there.

    My overall opinion is that I would think that it would be a good product for slab on grade, or if the floor was above a crawl space/garage. But to use it over a heated floor space, I think is a waste of time and money.

    Leo G
  • Leo G_99
    Leo G_99 Member Posts: 223
    Weezbo

    Are you thinking about the Beaver product made in Alberta?

    Leo G
  • Weezbo
    Weezbo Member Posts: 6,232
    Well, Leo if the beavers are making it I'd Buy. *~/:)

    Iwill try my dammdest to get one of my pet moose to parle with one buh i gotta think theres some secrets mother nature just dont wann give up *~/:).........seriously though you can cut the stuf with a pair of scissors or a sheet rock knife...the hollow parts make it a faster ramp and more even ly displaced btu..sorta its own "Mini Environment"...it basically needs a champion in the USA. its aquirement is one thing the questions were numerous in my mind about longevity ,displacement ,issues with temps in sun rooms and a host of well if that then what did you do's ....sorta like we would ease out there to test the waters or keep one of us going "off" early.i go look in Canada. again...it is not as complex a system as becotek could be buh i think i see just where to lose the nit picky parts and keep the general drift...it would still be heads over heels on the bin ness as usual. Poly therm i think its called...Our fine Ladies at Wirsbo at least came up with the Name of the stuff for me :) i am liking the idea of the stuff for quite a while.
  • Mark Hunt
    Mark Hunt Member Posts: 4,909
    TANKLESS!!!!!


    Where you been man????

    Good to see you post again!!!!!!

    Merry Christ's Birthday and a Happy unused 365 days!

    Mark H

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  • Weezbo
    Weezbo Member Posts: 6,232
    You tell it like you see it..it is America.

    the stuff you used seemed to me from earlier studies to be Expensiv(which aint All Bad) andhaving a wide variety of gizmotic sniviling points....one of these to hook to that around the door then through the woods kinda deal...It may be easier for all i know...really.however it must at least be some what similar in some respects............the blue kind is sorta flimsy looking to me yet it doesnt really need much to get one piece to Lock into the next as it can be overlapped just about anywhere end to end side to side ...whatever..how ever i'd like to hear more about your install.....first and away, do you feel think belive that there was alot of waste?the pieces you have left over , are they easily confineable to say a van? when laying it did it pull any of the stuff back up off the ground as you made corner turns on a run? what did you use to keep it down ? did you use the edge stuff? did the stuf "Float" during pour? would it really matter much if you did flatten out a couple bumps here or there? Talk to me...the beaver stuff is different...the moose from Whattazzzamatter you and i just came back from Canada :)
  • Weezbo
    Weezbo Member Posts: 6,232
    Good to hear you \"Saved\" *~/:)

    it could be in There! :) Hurray! *~/:)
  • Weezbo
    Weezbo Member Posts: 6,232
    9.1 chapter9 Thats What I'm yakin about ! *~;)

    fast ramping zippidy doo dzh radiant floor. :) now i can lower the temps down even more:) it sure makes sence from the perspective of the Leo also....The installation was a PITA yet when he got done....Well it sure is kind on the peepers.i was curious as to the experiences anyone might have had with it...Id like to see some of the Blue kind though...Over in england there are pannels that come in a box like the beckoteck and they are heavy as heck..i think i would pass on that stuf too.it is like floor pannels made outa that Hardi board sorta...too much weight and hassel...the Leo has a chance to monitor it a bit, like maybe what it feels like under foot when everythings finished,what tpye of floor temps vs supply and return temps, it Looks Great Leo. they make some sound deadening layer for multi residential multiplex living...and retro fitts in Neauvou riche yuppie dom. it looks like it would solve certain sound issues.
  • Brian (Tankless)
    Brian (Tankless) Member Posts: 340
    Thanks Mark

    For the welcome back.

    I kinda got lost (retreated) into my head for a while (moved to the country), and couldn't relate to people the way I felt I ought to be able to. It's hard to talk about, but depression always is, not everyone understands it.

    There, now it's out.

    I am an energy conservation freak, I am a radiant heat freak, I am a CO freak, I am an "I love this planet we live on, freak". But I live in the south, where energy is so damn cheap, that even the so-called environmentalists only want to talk about "it" but dont actually want to "do" anything about "it".

    I'm a fish out of water Mark, but I'm back, and not giving up any time soon.

    My daughter loves & believes in me, I believe in me, "The Wall" is alive & well, so I decided to stay around for a while.

    A belated Merry Christmass & Hapy Gnu Ears to you all.

    Again, thanks for the welcome-back Mark. All is well, and tomorrow is another day.

    Brian (Tankless in Swampland) Wood. (Where Cajuns still remember what Christmass is (was) all about. Even though they don't give a hoot about using less energy.



  • Brian (Tankless)
    Brian (Tankless) Member Posts: 340
    Hey Wheeze

    Sir Jeff just jogged my grey matter into gear.

    Try www.easyfloor.com

    Watch out world, I'm back :O)

    Brian in Swampland.

  • Weezbo
    Weezbo Member Posts: 6,232
    Would this be looking good in a large square or oblong

    room or What? *~/:) were you to be installing it say in large sun room are there some exact sizes that you found "work "the best? please dont go millimeter on me ' and" would be cool. one other thing thats sorta on my mind, time wise on the flat (in the hypotheical room of exact and perfect world) would your installation time near or beat staple down ?
  • Leo G_99
    Leo G_99 Member Posts: 223
    Weezbo 2

    some times a sheet would lifty off the floor a bit, but as it interlocks, it was never much. I found that the tubing tended to lift from the corners more, so some well placed tube talons took care of both issues. I was not present during the cover portion, but this one was completely done with a hand mixed dry pack. An area of about 800 sq. ft. took two days to cover. Yes the levling "nipples" were more a concern to the builder then to me, but I did my best not to step on them.


    Leo G
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