Ron Jr and Burnham Circulator

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You apparently didn't see my response to this question in yesterday's thread. Of course the door can be opened. The swing door is equipped with an offset or "articulating hinge" to allow the door to shove to the left a bit and then swing open. We chose to do this rather than use offset fittings on the return piping that may more than likely work loose during shipment. Other manufacturers have use offset piping and have learned that lesson. This is the instructions that are in the V8 Installation Manual. Hope this helps.

Glenn

Bruce M.

In a previous post Ron Jr, stated that they install the Burnham V8 with the circulator on the return because they come from the factory that way. Yesterday I was reading the Burnham installation manual and they want it mounted on the supply. I know Meenan is no longer Meenan but I don't think they do it that way at Petro.

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Bruce

As I stated in my post on that thread, we install the pump on the return primarily as a convenience for the large users out there that desire it that way. Most of our other boilers either have the pump shipped in a box or with no pump at all. Yes we do suggest mounting it on the supply pumping away from the expansion tank. We also address this with a drawing of the return side pump and a return side expansion tank....thus still pumping away. I have done training with the companies you mentioned regarding pump placement. In polling the technicians as to where they would rather have it mounted, it seems to be 50/50 as to supply or return. This preference varies geographically as well. In conducting training in one of the Mid-Atlantic states this year, the southern part of the state preferred supply side pumping while the northern part liked the return side pump. Hope this helps.

Glenn Stanton

Burnham Hydronics

Robert O'Connor_6

Swing out door

With the factory mounted pump and piping on the return of the V-8, will the swinging door be able to be opened?

Regards

Robert

ME

Robert O'Connor_6

Thanks

Glenn . I didn't see it . However, as usual you have made it very clear!

Bruce M.

E-mail answer from Burnham

Prior to posting on the "Wall" I had sent an e-mail to the technical department asking about the reason a circulator was mounted on the return of the prepackaged V8 boilers. The answer that I received, which is quoted below, makes it clear to me thatit is done for "shipping purposes".

"Thank you for the email this fine Tuesday morning. The circulator is installed on the return side of the boiler for shipping purposes. The preferred location for the circulator is the supply side but the boiler does not come with a manifold to attach the circulator to. I suggest that
you follow the piping schematic supplied with the boiler for the best possible operation."

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Bruce

I'm not sure what your intentions are with this post, but I want to clarify some things. First of all, for many years, almost all of the boiler manufacturers installed the pump on the return for TWO reasons. First off, it would fit there and still be safe and sound within the crate and second it became a CONVENIENCE for the person installing the boiler because it was already piped, mounted and wired.

Several years ago we stopped mounting the circulators and making up the pipe and fittings on all of our boilers. Due to the fact that many of our larger oil accounts preferred that it remain on the V8, we continued to keep it mounted and wired on that boiler. They are NOT mounted on the other boiler models but they are still included in the crate on most models in a box. That is the reason it is where it is. Sure it fits in the crate, but the primary reasons are per request and convenience. Thanks.

Glenn

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You're wrong Bruce

I had no clue why some packaged boilers come with a circulator on the return . I did not offer a reason why it's done . And Meenan does not as a general rule install them on the return of a new heating system . In some homes where we work there is no choice but to put them there . I posted a picture of one such home . But they are in the very small minority .

Can you point me out to the post where I said different ?

Bruce M.

Intention was to find Burnham's ideal location.

A day before I posted on the Wall I sent an e-mail to the Burnham Technical Department. The answer I received from them, which I posted, was different from the answer you provided. It is not unusual for a large company to have employees whose opinions and understanding of the facts are not the same. Since I do not work for Burnham I do not know which is the correct response but the fact remains that I received one response and you provided another. I thought it would be informative to post the response I received and listen to other peoples opinions.

lchmb

Actually

I was the one who stated "BTW if it's the worst thing in the world why does Burnham put the circ on the return to start?" Another thing to be noted is most manufacturer give a recommended piping arrangement. Some do have specific piping requirement's and these I do follow. In this case I chose to pipe on the return side for a number of reason's. I have and will continue to back up the work I do. As I stated in the previous post, if anything become's an issue with the piping arrangement I chose to use I will repipe it free of charge!! I do this not because I feel it was wrong or guilty as one person stated. I do this because I do the best job I can and back up my work 110%!!! I do generally "pump away" and do understand the concept behind it just in case your wondering...:)
Glenn I would like to thank you for taking time from your busy schedule to answer this and am sorry if I started any issue's for you or Burnham.....

Bruce M.

You said your supervisor

wanted the circulators on the return because Burnham ships them that way and they must have a reason to put them there. Does Meenan ever install any on demand water heaters? I used to know a repairman named Roy. One of the best.

Bruce M.

Sorry Ron

I made a mistake. It was Lchmb that mentioned his supervisor not you.

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No

that was Lchmb's supervisor , not mine . My supervisor gives us free reign to install as we see fit .

Please , whenever you start a post with someone's name , make sure the context of the message is true . The heading of your post is not changeable , and the people I work with and work for do frequent this site often .

We have not installed any on demand heaters as of today , and I know of a repairman named Roy . He was one of the good guys , but had to retire due to a heart condition .

lchmb

Ron Jr.

Sorry about the mix up in name's. I did not intend for you to get dragged into anything...:( If your boss see's it tell him he can come after me..:) P.S. I now have free will on all piping issue's, but still would not have changed what I did on that boiler..:) It's running great and the homeowner is smiling!!

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Not to worry

They're cool with me , and they know my piping ways . It was not your fault whatsoever . And I wouldn't change a thing on your install either . If it stays air free and you back up your work , the customer will be happy for a long time . Hey , when is Mr. Nice Guy gonna chime in ?

lchmb

It's funny...

I have absolutely no problem discussing different way's and different opinion's. I would be happy to sit and discuss this with anyone and take no offense to it. That's how we all learn!! But I still could not imagion telling a customer "this way or no way". I also use my true email addy and anyone can discuss it here or there...ahh with that all off my chest I think it's time for an hour in the hot tub!! Leg's are killing me today. Ron if you ever decide to come to NH let me know, I'll buy dinner!!

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I believe

that you are actually misinterpreting our technical service agents response to your e-mail Bruce. I did not see your original e-mail to him but I can assure you that his response was in answer to "Why does Burnham mount the pump on the return?". For that he certainly would have answered "for shipping reasons because it fits in the crate". My answers explain the reasons why we mount the pump on the boiler at all and not why it is on the return. Hope that clears things up a bit.

Glenn