Wide open basement

Unknown

An unfinished basement in a split level home is my favorite place to install a boiler . This was a Federal builder's special boiler , 2 zones with a coil for hot water . We needed about 5 Extrol sized boxes for all the vermiculite and chamber brick . The 2nd pic is the stairs , before we started working . Suprisingly they held for the new boiler , but it was iffy to hold for the old clunker . So we fixed em for the homeowner .

Dale

I love it

An expensive security system on the basement windows and they are more at risk from walking down they're own stairs. Smart move on your part to fix them, I don't want to think about collasping stairs WITH an old boiler between you two.

Unknown

We used a Burnham V84

with a B+G air eliminator . This home had a 1 inch monoflo zone . We piped a purge on the return . We normally will bleed the radiators , but this house was white all over - tiles , carpets . And of course we were filthy . From reading posts here and in some of Dan's books , I've heard that proper piping techniques and a good air eliminator can get the radiators air free without hand bleeding them . Since I don't have much experience with these fancy devices , is that statement true for others that use the B+G ?

Unknown

It wasn't too risky

to bring down the new one - I could actually stand on the basment floor to hold back on the boiler . Of course , we always plan on an escape route just in case the boiler gets loose . Having a boiler run you over can kinda suck .

J.C.A._3

Ron,

If you keep getting spaces like this, your going to ruin Ken! If he don't smack his head enough, he may start to think he's in charge. Be careful!

Nice work, as usual. Wish I could show something nice but service has been king lately. Maybe next week. Chris

Constantin

What an amazing difference it makes...

.... when the piping is straight, the boiler not covered in rust! The new expansion tank is not only more accessible, it also won't kill you as easily as the old one if it let's go.

Once again, the wiring on the boiler is tidier than the wiring in the rest of the basement. I also like the little drain on the return and how clean you guys left the site. I hope that your air eliminator can scrub all the air out... from it's location ahead of the main pump, that should be the case. The only thing I don't recall is whether that model needs a certain amount of straight pipe ahead of it (IIRC, the spirovent needs this) or if a 90° turn just ahead of it is OK (I'm just a homeowner, after all).

So, all in all, kudos again! That's a nice boiler install and it should hopefully give the owners years and years of comfortable heat. BTW, how are they making hot water? ;-)

Todd_9

air elimination

The first job we did once we learned to "pump away" several years ago, was a monoflow system. The homeowner came down to tell us that he moved all the furniture so we could bleed the radiators. We went up and checked them and they were all hot. He couldn't believe it becaus e any time the old one had work done he would have to bleed everything. This was enough convincing for me.

harvey

we had the same experience

Decided to try pumping away on cast iron baseboard with monoflo tees. Did not vent ANY rads. VERY COOL

Dave Palmer_3

so

it must of been a half day install with all that room? Nice work as always,gotta get you a propress,Dave Ron are you going to the next WETSTOCK? I'd like to buy you several beers,trying to talk the wife into it, instead of a family vaction.

hr

Wide open spaces and

widow maker stairways

Wise of you to beef em up and a nice perk for the homeowner. Good work.

hot rod

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Unknown

Kenny smacks his head alot

Here's one from last week . He ran into this dry return so many times , he forgot his name . He wanted to be called Judy for some reason .

Thanks Chris , keep your batteries charged .

Unknown

When I 1st started

we used to get everything level by getting the largest pipe up - level it by eye , then run the rest the same angle as the master pipe . It actually takes more time to stand back and see if the pipe your're working on is level with the others .

The drain is a ball valve type suppled by Burnham . I wish we could get them in 1/2 inch from our plumbing store .

I don't think theres a minimum space for the B+G , I'm guessing because it doesn't say so in the instructions or on the box . So far it seems to work fantastic on the few jobs we used them on .

The homeowners decided to try the internal coil for hot water . They might need an upgrade in the future with 2 kids close to teen years . An aquabooster would do the trick . Thank you for the compliments and insight Constantin .

Unknown

I'm hoping the B+G

will get us out of bleeding any rads this winter . There's nothing I hate more than to go around someone's home , filthy and tired and starving , and try to wrestle the covers off the rads - alot of them with carpet jammed right up to em . You think it'll take less than an hour of run time to auto bleed a normal size monoflow system ? I can't leave without the rads getting hot .

Unknown

Half day ?

Never heard of it . We get done in the alloted time of course , every day .

I like to solder . Don't try to take my fun away by making me use ( gasp ) compression fittings ! Actually I'd love to try them out , but there aint no suppliers over here . We're having a real hard time getting ANYONE to stock IFC pumps and pex . Propress will be a common item on Long Island around the turn of the next millennia .

Where is the next Wetstock ? Beer tastes so much sweeter ...... when someone else is buying . Hope it's within driving distance of Long Island . And I can get off of work . Thanks alot Dave , it'd be nice to meet you also . By the way , where are you located ?

Unknown

Hard to believe

the homeowner didn't notice the dip in the stairs till we pointed it out . He was a real nice guy though , and I had no problem fixing it . God forbid someone falls through after we leave , can't have that on my conscience with all the other stuff piling up there .

Besides , it's a little tidbit that I bet the homeowner will never forget .

Thank you very much Hot Rod .

hr

It's the little things

I was working under a lady's kitchen sink once. I noticed a copper tea kettle with the handle broken off, lying under there. I soldered it back on and never said a word.

She sent a nice gift basket to the shop. I think she told half the town about that!

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eleft_4

Ron, Question

With all that room ....did you find yourself falling over...you must have gotten tired standing up all that time.

Do you connect the LWC-O to the aquastat or to interrupt all power?

I appreciate your skill.... then knowing you I expect excellence, another masterpiece,

al

Dave Palmer_3

the other island......

Rhode Island, we had trouble getting IFC pumps till I kept asking to order them in. But guys don't think about labor and the savings of not buying flo-checks,adapters,etc...I can't wait to see a IFC with a flo-check mounted on top Dave

Bruce M.

Nice Install. Love those Federals.

You have to love those 50 year old Federal steel boilers. They keep on going forever. Meenan is lucky to have a professional who takes pride in his work.

Ron Schroeder_2

> I like to

> solder . Don't try to take my fun away by making

> me use ( gasp ) compression fittings ! Actually

> I'd love to try them out , but there aint no

> suppliers over here . We're having a real hard

> time getting ANYONE to stock IFC pumps.


A lot of places here on Long Island seem to have the Grundfos UPS15-58FRC.

> Propress will be a common item on Long Island

> around the turn of the next millennia .


Haven't you heard, Contractors on Long Island are very willing to try new technology (as long as their Grandfathers try it first) ;-)

Ron

Unknown

We wire the low water cutoff

to interrupt power to everything - burner , circs , even the constant hot to the Riello . Might become an issue of too much amps flowing through the cutoff if we get into multiple zones , not sure of the rating .

Give us all that room and the inevitabler happens - we spread everything out all over the place . We gotta make a mess to clean a mess . Thank you alot Al .

Unknown

I should've said

we're having trouble getting some place to stock the Taco IFC pumps . I'll see tomorrow if they have the Grundfos - odds are they don't .

Yeah , new technology isn't easily embraced on Long Island . I'm just very glad we don't use stack relays anymore .

Unknown

That's great

Things like that are practically unheard of anymore . Going above and beyond your scope of work to help someone out .

Unknown

The Federal ,

Repco , Malibu , Blueray , Gibraltar ... are all boilers that keep us busy . My life would be different if these homes were all equipped originally with an American Standard , Dunkirk , Peerless . Thanks alot Bruce .

lchmb

per the norm

Nice work!! Tell Kenny I can completely feel his pain (being 6'3"). I stood up under a sprinkler system the other day and about knocked myself out. The homeowner thought it was cute..:( If you need help getting IFC's let me know, maybe I can forward some from our supply house. They carry 20 in stock!!..:) Keep up the good work!!

todd s

Nice Job Ron

Is that a flow restrictor on the coil pipe? I like the fact that you use a relief valve on your coils, you wan't see that upstate. I guess Long Island doesn't have very hard water, seems like you use alot of coils.