co training

Biged

I'v been reading a lot about co which I began testing for this year. I have a Bacharach fyrite pro 125 and basically what I did was to go to thier training room and followed the intructions, and although I feel some what comfortable testing (I work on almost exclusivly oil fired equipments)There is something thats telling me to get trained at one of these co traing seminars. I'v read almost all of Mark Hunt's treads on co, are any of these seminars coming anywhere near Boston soon?

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Class on December 7

in Warren, RI at Gas Training Institute. The title is Conversion Burners/Combustion Testing including design gas equipment.

If you are interested I can be reached at gastc@cox.net or 401-437-0557.

Cost of the seminar is $200.00 and includes a manual.

Jim Davis_3

CO Training

Unfortunately NCI is not scheduled in Boston until March. If you want some tips on CO Oil Diagnostics in the mean time give me a call-800-633-7058. Be glad to help!
Bad nozzle,Drawer assembly adjustment, electrode adjustment, air problems, impingement on the flame cone, impingement on the combustion chamber, pump pressure etc. all detectable with CO readings from a Bacharach Analyzer or TSI Analyzer but no others.

Rudy

CO testing

And if you can't get in touch with Jim, feel free to give me a call.

I'd look forward to talking with you (412-576-1350).

rudy

jim sokolovic

Curious - what performance aspects...

of those 2 analyzers make them the only ones that detect CO properly for diagnostic work? Reaction time (I know the Bacharach we have "clears" itself quickly after a high CO reading)? Thanks, Jim!

Jim Davis_3

Its not the clearing as much as the initial response time. It is critical on oil to see the CO spike at light-off(must be under 100ppm-run under 100ppm(stable)and shutdown spike(under 100ppm). All meters eventually measure the run but only 2 I have tested can pick up the light-off & shutdown. Just tested an oil burner and the shutdown on the Bacharach went to 350ppm, the TSI about 325ppm. The another make meter only read 40ppm. Most meters I have tested side by side pick up less than 50% of the spikes at light-off and in some cases less than 25%. Although these other meters might be well made and fairly accurate during the run, their response time is not adequate to do full diagnostics.

jim sokolovic

That's interesting, I've noticed...

very different response times, too - but thought eventually each analyzer would show the highest readings. Regardless, though - it's best to see the readings as soon as possible, providing accuracy is not compromised. I don't ever remember "response time" being in the extensive specs that the different analyzers' literature show.

Jim Davis_3

What they show is how many liters they pump per minute or second or ?? When I watch one meter start to read O2(always resonds first) I count the seconds until the next meter responds-some take 4 seconds, some 8 seconds and some up to 12 seconds. I am told this is to create steady state readings even if they aren't and this is a problem in many applications, especially oil.

jim sokolovic

We have one analyzer that has choices...

for the display - "current readings", or " averaged readings", and I believe you can program the "averaged for" time (default is 10 sec). But it does not respond quickly, and can take over 20 minutes to clear a high CO reading (over 3000 ppm). It's supposed to be very accurate though, particularly for NOx. It's a Madur (Neotronics) from Europe. Ever use these?

Jim Davis_3

Actually sold a few back in the 80's. Found they did not hold up as well as Bacharachs. Ended up selling many Bacharachs to replace them. Don't believe in averaging because it doesn't present a true picture and in industrial applications could cause a failure of an EPA test.