It really is a lost art ...

billygoat22

Was working in the old part of town yesterday on reinstalling some radiators. I went for some parts and discovered the guys at the one plumbing supply house have almost no idea of hydronic parts, the supply house no longer carries parts for systems, except for hygrostats or something like that. Didn't even know what the part I wanted was, one of those 1/2" nipples they sometimes used to extend the pipe out floor (male on one end, fm on other, extends the pipe 1/2").
The other supply house that still carries a few boilers, didn't even know what an outdoor reset was, and they had one in their catalog!

billygoat22

It really is a lost art ...

Was working in the old part of town yesterday on reinstalling some radiators. I went for some parts and discovered the guys at the one plumbing supply house have almost no idea of hydronic parts, the supply house no longer carries parts for systems, except for hygrostats or something like that. Didn't even know what the part I wanted was, one of those 1/2" nipples they sometimes used to extend the pipe out floor (male on one end, fm on other, extends the pipe 1/2").
The other supply house that still carries a few boilers, didn't even know what an outdoor reset was, and they had one in their catalog!

Mad Dog

The great crisis that this industry and Nation face

is: idiotic dullards that make up much of todays workforce. They don't know jack , don't DO jack, and they don't care - neether!!!! It is pandemic - really!!!!!!!!! Mad Dog

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Weezbo

sad buh True.

> is: idiotic dullards that make up much of todays

> workforce. They don't know jack , don't DO jack,

> and they don't care - neether!!!! It is pandemic

> - really!!!!!!!!! Mad Dog

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Weezbo

sad buh True.

eric_2

From the supply house side

It's truly amazing how hard it is to find people who want to work. Give me a willing person and I'll provide him/her all the training they can handle. I remember working while in high school doing any job I could get to make an honest buck, but I can't even get people to apply for a good job with benefits and a future. There's my rant for the day, I feel better....

J.C.A._3

Eric,

I feel your pain....DAILY!Trust me, it isn't only in the supply houses either.

Very few want to get "dirty" anymore. If their parents would show them that working for a living is FAR from degrading,(and occasionally give them the boot in the butt they need") they'd be able to figure that you might not be eating steak every night, but hamburgh isn't a big step down. Service, what a concept ! JMHO. Chris

Firedragon_4

I'm currently looking

for a position as a semi-retired vice-president. $200,000 per year, three days a week at my choosing and full benefits including a new Jaguar. Needy employers please call at your leisure.

Oh yeah, I want 7 weeks vacation and a full pay retirement in three years too!

See ya and thanks!

Dave Bush

EXACTLY, Firedragon.:=}

And, let me guess, you're 22 years old, but not a college graduate, and have never actually had a full time job...

Sad, but true, I echo.

This seems to be the normal attitude of those entering our workforce these days, (Past 10-15 years, actually.) want to start at the top, not need to know anything, and have plenty of time off to pursue important activities such as the Playstation Olympiad.

The guys that man the counters of wholesalers used to be the go-to men to find information on equipment that wasn't readily available. They used to know the part number, bin location, and wholesale price of the most common parts off the top of their heads. Used to be, you could walk into a wholesaler, needing a tee, nipple, oil filter, bottle of R22, WHATEVER, (common materials) and NOT hear "we should be getting a truck in the next few days...

Now, getting away from the fat, dumb, and happy idiots that think that they're doing you a favor by looking at you when you enter the wholesaler, let's look at the OTHER end of the spectrum...

Used to be you could trust the wholesaler.

Try bidding a commercial ac install with Trane equipment! The trane dealer wants to know the name, address, and phone number of the job before giving you a price, then calls the customer to bid against you! This is "acceptable" policy in the Trane company, and is actually expected of their people!

Buy direct from a manufacturer? Not even if you're running a hundred trucks, instead of two.

Buy from the 'net? Sure, if you can wait.

The biggest problem is the lazy, apathetical attitude that these blissfully ignorant young American slobs have is that they're never going to have ENOUGH, without working for it, or spending some time learning about what it is that they're supposed to be doing during those grueling 8 hours, instead of talking to their girlfriends on the cell phone back in the warehouse, which, BTW, should be perfectly acceptable in this day and age? Right?

It is difficult at best, to find someone knoweldgeable and helpful, in a wholesaler. I'm fortunate that my refrig wholesaler has great people. My RE Michel branch, and one local plumbing supply also bend over backwards.

None of these places seem to have many young guys in them...

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

Dave Bush

OOOPPS

Sorry for the long post.

I don't even have my boots off....

J.C.A._3

Hey George,

When the offer comes-a-knockin....I'll step in to fill out the other 4 days. Same pay and terms expected.(I think the extra day is fair compensation for the 15 years difference in experience, don't you?)

Everyone HAS to start somewhere. Find someone to take "under your wing", give them a taste and see if you think they'll make it. If they have the right stuff, TRAIN, TRAIN,TRAIN. Give them every opportunity to never have a boring or thoughtless moment, and you've got a future Wallie. "This I hold to be true". Chris

billygoat22

R E Michaels here is pretty good, too. They'll open the store late so you can get a part off one of the in staock boilers if the one we bought was damaged, etc.
They had a temperature reset in their book, but it seems no one around here uses the things, so they never knew they had it. We've only put in two new systems in 9 years, and only do about a dozen or so replacements in a year, so the suppliers don't stock stuff.
Tough market here, people say they can't afford those high gas bills, but won't overhaul a whole system to get the efficiency up. Eventually the old systems will attrition out and there won't be any residential hydronics in Lynchburg,Va. Too bad, I'd like to see some radiant stuff going on around here, as well as tweaking up some broken down systems.

Mad Dog

all true

and besides all the demands they have ...they are totally incompetant and useless...I'm talking people in all fields and walks of life: peolpe on mail order answering services, the local deli counter person, the woman at the bank...a real bunch of nitwits - we are in trouble....mayday mad dog

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Mark Hunt

Simply stated


"Dead Men".

Now tell me why.

Mark H

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Firedragon_4

You got my 6 buddy, as usual.

Train?

I thought that was something that ran on tracks, used steam and is also obsolete, woo wooo woooo!

Firedragon_4

Because

we always did it that way???? :-0

Don Walsh

Reliability

I once hired a young fellow, married with two small children. Seemed intelligent and receptive to instruction, but was never at work 5 days in a week. He would work three days; Monday, Tuesday, and Friday (payday). I told him I NEEDED him there EVERY day, I asked him finally why he couldn't make it to work more than three days a week. His answer was, "Because I can't get by on only two days."

My name is Grumpy, and I approve this message.

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Weezbo

Way ta Say it Grumpy *~/

tommyoil

I've got just the place for you George

Join a jobbing union. Plumbers, pipefitters, carpenters, millwrights, ect. Sounds like the right criteria. Six figures with o/t and d/t. The Jag might be a problem. But of course you'll be able to afford your own then.