Critique Appreciated

Oil Tech

We just completed this install, and would appreciate comments from those with more experience. don't be gentle, I'm here to learn. Thanks.OT

tommyoil

you asked for it

Not too crazy with your piping arrangement. I, like many of the folks here, would like to see the circs "pumping away" from the Extrol on the SUPPLY side of the boiler. You would then be adding the static pressure of the circs to the system helping you move the air through the system at a more rapid rate. I would have brought my feeder in at that point as well. Then mount your flo-controls after each circ. Not to wild about all that hanging BX either. One of Dans many books should help you sharpen your skills. The first two pictures have the boiler on the wall instead of the floor. My neck is killing me.

ScottMP

Tommy Oil

look at his return address ... this is just someone looking for a reaction. Let it drop.

Scott

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tommyoil

Thanks for the tip Scott

How do I look at the return address?

Oil Tech

Hey guys, I was not aware that it was a requirememt,I try not to get a rise out of anyone, it's not proactive. Im Just trying to learn to do a better job.

Carl PE

Address

umm..

Hey, my email address is "anonymous".

"anonymous at warpnet dot net" is actually my REAL email address.

really. I'm serious.

lchmb

although

I agree with you on the funny email addy. I think even if it is someone's idea of a game that other's can learn from any post.
With that said, I agree with Tommy on the piping layout being a little better planned. I myself like to pump away also. Another issue I find that I dislike is the wiring layout.You have a wire stretched between the boiler and the tank which is in my opinion a hazard. Another thing I dislike is the wiring on the wall. Just left to hang, if someone were to grab ahold it could get shocking....Just a couple thing's from my point of view....
Oh yea, one other thing....a shutoff on each side of the auto feeder. If it goes bad now the only way to change it is drain the boiler...I like them within a couple inch's my self....

DaveGateway

If that's a new WM boiler

why would you bother with a tankless coil with a booster tank as opposed to just getting an indirect? Can't be cheaper then just getting a glass lined indirect and plain circulator then the bronze or stainless steel pump. Tankless coil gaskets seem to be the first thing to leak on a boiler.

Dof3

tommyoil if not BX what would you use?

tommyoil

BX

Its not the fact that its BX. Its the fact that its just "hangin in the breeze". I would still use BX, only I would have tried to secure it better to make it both safer AND neater, thats all.

Jeff Lawrence_24

protected

According to Dan, our email addresses are protected from Spam harvesting by having them listed on the reply page only.

Because of this, some of us are skeptical of people that don't put their addresses in full on the website.

I will admit, before Dan started having the email addresses hidden, I was getting more junk mail than I was after.

I see no reason to hide email addresses any more.....



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Unknown

I still avoid using mine

Each time I do, the flood of stuff comes back. I have nothing to hide, but I don't enjoy my name spoofed into the "from" line on bad e-mails. If anyone wants to write me, save it from here, my address is nmurdough at slantfin dot com. I work in Technical Service at Slant/Fin Corp., and will try to help, if I can, on anything at all.

Noel

Jeff Lawrence_24

well.

I haven't had a problem since Dan had the email addresses hidden....

Now that I'm mentioning it, everything will break loose.



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John_34

I too would appreciate input.......

I made a post this morning, but for some reason it's been overlooked. I too would appreciate any constructive criticism or advice. Here's my post: http://forums.invision.net/Thread.cfm?CFApp=2&Thread_ID=18842&mc=3

Thanks everyone!

Weezbo

This is just one question...have you tried to do this ,to get it

to look this good? here is why i ask,if you are really trying to get it to look like this then you need to look at some pictures and do that rather than keep trying... you have talent just need some examples to follow.
....always go for the straight line by square...same with the electrical... young people always like to go "Out" what you need to focus on is," keeping it close to the vest"... some pieces of plumbing have to be installed in certain orientations some have "Prefered"orientations..so, when you have the space go for the "Prefered"installation orientations...the fewer fittings generally the better off you will be....to gain experience at your expense will take ... awhile.... To listen to and follow the examples of good work when you see it will be much less painful...and time consuming...now that you feel terrible when you really thought you were doing pretty good ...let me suggest that you re orientate the check valve body so it will function like a check valve not as a coupling.

ScottMP

O.K.

Since I made the comment ...

You have a swing check on the hot return of the storage tank that is upside down. Its doing Nothing.

You have a full sized manifold on the return and choke the feed down to 3/4 on the supply, your feeds will be fighting for flow.

You solder very neatly.

You need to buy Dans Book " Pumping Away ", it will teach you about the relationship of all the components of the system and how they work.

You drink too much DD coffee

Scott

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Oil Tech

Thanks

Thank's to all, Dan's book will be ordered today.

Kal Row

nice work but...

in addition to S Milne's comments, you have a real heat migration problem, the heat in this system will go where it wants to, not where you are telling it to, - if you think a loop cant circulate just because the pump is off, think again, – the top floor will cook and downstairs will be cold

it's like this, cooler water is denser and thus heavier than warmer less dense water and will displace each other even in a single pipe, the taller the pipe the more acceleration it gets, thus, the top floor cooks. So you either put in spring check valves, so you don’t get flow without the zone pumps, or put zone valves on the supply side. Also without spring checks, on the zones and the Domestic Hot Water loop, the heat from the DHW loop will gravity migrate right up into the house, wasteful in the winter, and really pisses off customers in the summer – modern spring checks have very good flow so it pays to sprinkle them liberally in the system – I always use pumps with built in spring checks like the taco IFCs or the Grundfos FCs – and I put zone valve on the supply side

loot at http://www.plumbingsupply.com/valves.html under “Bronze Spring Check Valves:” – as you can see – not that expensive


like dan says – be the water,

cooler water drops like a rock and accelerates at the gravity standard of 32ft per second squared until the resistance in the pipe limits it – if your building is tall enough, your circulator will spin by itself, keeps this in you mind when you pipe!!!