It's been a little while..........hb

heatboy

Due to some enormous personal stress, I haven't been able to post things of late. My therapist says I'm starting to get better, so I'm allowed back here :-) You know how we tempermental artists can get. We have been busy with various projects so I thought I would share some of them. Thanks for looking.

Warm Regards,

hb

hr

Glad to hear

from you again. Glad to see you haven't lost your touch! Is that last panel for your therapist home

hot rod

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Weezbo

I like it ...

Let me ask...have you tried doing some larger fittings with that pro press? i have been sadly dissapointed in the three inch ..it takes our hard work and turns it into propress 101..:( like you i really want to do showcase work ..it should be called "Amaeture press":...that pump block is beauty in and of itself:) did you take yours all apart and put it back togetheragain when you first got it Too?

clammy

beautiful stress reduction

Lookin at work like yours is a sress reduction with in itself allways a thing of beauty to behold and that thearispist well she must be the best .One question where did you get those pump supportes are they home fabricated or did you buy them they look great , i also dig those nylon speed nuts on the end of the rods again beautiful stuff you are a true craftmans who work shows his attention to small details and to his chosen professian awesome stuff glad to see you post again peace clammy

S Davis

Propress

Nice work how do you like your Propress? Do you like the Taco mixing blocks? I have not used one yet but might have a job where one might work.

Weezbo

I got my Propress about a month ago the biggest fittings so far have been two inch, I found that by alternating your press you can pretty much cancel its tendency to pull towards the tool so on your fitting press from the front and then turn the fitting around and press from the back.

S Davis


Apex Radiant Heating

Ted_9

Awesome work. Everything looks beautiful.

I just mounted a Taco RMB-1 yesterday. I wasnt thrilled about having to take it all apart to mount it. The only way I could mount it was by dissconnecting the wires. Well the neutral spade connection pulled off the board. I got it to go in again but I hope its not a problem.


Patriot Heating & Cooling,Inc.

Ted_9

Also, how much is the diamond plating?

Patriot Heating & Cooling, Inc.

Unknown

Your work is worth the wait

I was wondering if you could tell some of us high tech challenged installers what the various components are in the Vitodens Panel pic ? Mainly , the 2 orange boxes , the silver rectangle box and the brass thingys with the black knobs . It looks amazing .

Paul Pollets

RMB

are you using the RMB on a separate reset curve? connected with a Vitodens?
Nice job, as always...

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heatboy

Thanks, Ron.

The orange boxes are mixing valve actuators attached to three way valves. The Vitodens can run two mixing valves before getting into higher end controls.

The silver thing is Viessmann's Low Loss Header. Sort of a high tech version of pri/sec piping. We use it as our auto air eliminator with the addition of a high capacity automatic air vent.

The valves with the black knobs are pressure activated by-pass valves. The pumps are 26-64s with lots of zone valves and telestats.

Thanks for the nice words, Ron.

hb

heatboy

RMB

Paul,

The RMB is on a system with a cast iron boiler. Works great (for VSI, that is). S&R distance is an exact match to Wirsbo's TruFlow manifold. Think it'll be in Wirsbo's offerings soon? Like the PROpanels, this will make the smaller projects much quicker and less expensive to install. Typical Tekmar logic, but I'm not sure I would use them with a condensing boiler umless it was a secondary mix down.

hb

heatboy

Diamond Plate

Ted,

The cost will vary from $200 to $75 a 4' x 8' sheet, depending on where they are purchased and how many are bought. I generally stock 5 sheets at a time so I get pretty solid pricing. The same goes for annodized when I use that.

hb

Dan Foley

Outstanding

Outstanding work, Jeffrey. Good to hear from you again. From what I see, all is well! -DF

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Paul Pollets

looks like...

the Danfoss control (ECL) has been integrated. in Europe, the mixing blocks are on a 3 way valve...here they're VSI. Go figure.

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Weezbo

I have been waiting to see these pics of the viessmann

ALL DAYY! Outa Site! I have a chance maybe to get a lick in on the new house with the indoor shooting range...maybe i can get a chance to go viessmann...I have my fingers crossed:) May i ask you when you use the propress other than bolting every thing down to the max...is there some wedges of plastic or some other tool that a guy needs to keep the pipes and fittings in showcase alignement or is it the nature of the beast as it were to go any direction of the compass it choses?

Weezbo

S Davis....

Double press the fittings? I've tried justabout every thing else...:) those big brass T's and 90's tweak even with one of us holding the fitting and another leveling the tool...i think they should make something that "wedges "the fitting and pipe straight and Keeps it That way.

John Ruhnke

Real nice Heat Boy

Real Nice!!

JR

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don_42

HeatBoy

as allways been my hero.Everytime he post I learn a better
way to do things.Thanks Jeff.

I'm off to the sheet metal shop first thing tomorrow morning
to fabicate some of those mounting brackett for my panel I'm
building.

I'm pumped!!!

ScottMP

Beautifull work as always Jeff

Its take a wil to absorb it all. Text book stuff.

What type of pex is that, down to the manifold ?

Is everyone of your jobs a Vitoden

I really like the electrical chanels, nice touch.

Good to have your back Pal, its not the same wall without you. Ron can only post so many pictures.

Scott

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heatboy

Hiya', Lobsta......

Thanks, Scott. Having you appeciate our work means tons, especially, after seeing your stuff.

That's Wirsbo MultiCor run down to the manifold. There are two other manifolds across the basement that were piped in Multicor, also. I use PEX when running up through a building, but I use MultiCor when it is exposed. I don't like the looks of PEX when it warms up.

No, not everything is Vitodens. Sometimes the Vitodens isn't the best option.

We use yards of that wire duct. This brand is made by Panduit. We have used several brands and the Panduit it by far the easiest to work with. Really cleans up the panels, IMO. Panduit offers it in various widths and depths.

I, too, marvel at Ron Jr.'s work. If he's not making $50K (Lehigh Valley money) a year, he is underpaid! Hear that, Ron?

Warm Regards,

hb

Unknown

according to Dave Sweet....

Taco made it that way so that you HAVE to take it all apart to put it all back together again :-)

But in reality, Taco made it that way so you would have to remove the electronics to protect them during install.

steve

Unknown

PLYWOOD???????????

Yo HB,

Great work.

Let me see if I get this straight.

Vitodens = Diamond Plate

TACO = PLYWOOD?????

What the heck is up with that?? Didn;t anyone else notice???

lym

wheels
tlaoyw
(the largest admirer of your work)

heatboy

Yeah.................,but

notice the aluminum trim (g).

hb

Kal Row

love it ...

- what local is job at? cause in by me in nyc, you need a GFCI circuit to plug in wet appliances, - i use plugs too - i put the main power switch downstream of one of those GFCI outlets with the led “power good” indicator light that protects everything downstream also

then I make each outlet a switch outlet with the switch bypassing the control relays and providing ac at the hot lead of the plug even it the relays are not calling for it
this way – I can override to ON with the switch, and override to OFF by pulling the plug, it’s a great help when you are trying to get the air out or troubleshoot

ps according to tekmar it's ok to hook full on ac to the pulsed outpt side of their variable speed injecton controlers so you even use a sw-plug there

BillW@honeywell

Inspiring work!

Great work, HB! You should use that install as a background on one side of your business card, Name, Phone etc. on the other side. "Cocktails at 6:30, in the boiler room!" Top hat & tails optional!

Mike Kraft_2

Personal issues and diamond plate

Saving up all your pics for one shot now .............eh?:)
It was real cool meeting Jason.It didnt take him long to have a 3 V's burned in his head!We sat together at the Grundfos class.We even shook our heads sometimes at the same time;)I guess when you have a way you have a way(profound eh?)

You two together certainly is a match made in deadman heaven.The panels look great.Your layouts improve each time.Thats a tuff one to do.Jason was doing show and tell with tools in the parking lot..........oh yeah,when you buying him a rod cutter?Can he press two at the same time now that your packing two propress tools:)?I too like the wire molding,channel or whatever it's called.Very nice!

cheese

heatboy

Did you like the class?

According to Jason, there were only three contractors in the class. What does that say about our contractor brothers? The rest of the class was made up of reps and wholesalers, who, by the way, don't have much respect for others since they proceeded to talk amongst themselves the whole three days. Understandable, though. Most reps and wholesalers talk too much anyway. I would have probably made some more non-friends if I was there.

I thought a Sawsall was a rod cutter (g).

hb

Unknown

ouch!

HB,

Wow. SOme cruel words about wholesalers. I'm glad I've kept my mouth shut enough to be considered a friend:-)

(Now I am sure most people can not believe I can keep my mouth shut!!!)

wheels

heatboy

Wavelengths.

Wheels,

Notice I said "most". You and I are on the same wavelength on most issues, except pumps, tubing and women :-). I told you years ago (before you bailed on me and went to work for Roth) that you set the bar when it comes to wholesalers and how they should treat their customers. Heck, you even buy me beers!

hb

Unknown

RE: Low Loss Headers & your outstanding work;

Jeff,

In your posts you say that you use the Low Loss Headers as your auto air eliminator with the addition of a high capacity automatic air vent. I don’t see any of that in the photos. What am I missing? It seems to me that an air eliminator belongs on top of these headers. But, where would we then put the sensor?

I was also thinking that the expansion tank piped into a LLH’s bottom would be an ideal spot. I notice that you always use an insulation jacket on these headers. Is that just your personal preference or is there a thermodynamic reason for you using the wrapper? In one of your photos it appears that you didn’t use those (Clunky) 1 1/4 brass British-to -US standard adaptors on one of your headers. How you do that? Love the blue & red paint job on the nubs:-) Shouldn’t BIG V be offering smaller primary/secondary pipe sizes on that product? If we could build a BETTER version of Viessmann’s low loss headders, what would they be like?

I don’t see you using an air elimination device on the distribution side of the header. I know you will have a darned good reason;-) Would you mind explaining why for one of your admirers?

Oh! Please stop “raising the bar” I get a nosebleed just looking at your work;-)

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Jamie_6

As always Jeff, great looking work! How do you like those new ball valves for the Propress? I have a few on the truck but have not had a chance to use them yet. Let alone take one apart to see if it has a packing nut to be able to tighten down.

Also, how do you keep those small pipes so straight when you propress? I see you have some clamps but not as many as you would think from keeping that pipe work so straight?

Jamie

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heatboy

LLH

Gary,

we use the insulation on the header for the looks of it more than anything else. The insulating factor is also important since it's the highest heat loss device on the board. Besides, it cost very little. We add an auto vent where the manual vent is. The headers picture are flipped around and the air vent port is in the rear. That's just due to boiler placement. I haven't seen a need for any air elimination downstream of the LLH on any of the Vitodens we have installed. Spirovents are somewhat overrated. They have there place, but perfect piping & pumping practices (the 4 P's of hydronics) will work just fine. There is a definite learning curve when it comes to initial start-up and air removal. We use our pump cart to perform the initial purging of our systems. Works much better and doesn't waste gallons and gallons of my clients water during the process.

The small LLH needs to have 1 1/4" ports if the system it is attached to is using a Delta T of 10° on the system side. On the larger one, the ports are 2" NPT (for some reason) so no conversion is needed. Do I wish the smaller one were NPT? Sure. It would take up much less room without the conversion ends. But I'm sure I don't have enough pull up there to get my way (g). You could add a Caleffi version, but it cost much more than Viessmann's version.

Thanks for the kind words, Gary.

Regards,

hb