Breakthrough technology for radiant

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is in the Fine Homebuilding annual "Houses" issue.

Next generation technology. Wow!

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heatboy

Once again.........

I'm behind the curve! Wish I would have thought of this genius. And to think, I've been doing it wrong all these years. *sniff*

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Weezbo

Now now ...Lets not start sniveling for having to do it right..

chin ups lads chest out here they come again straighten up your shoulders an act like we got some back bone..:)we will out live them you ll see:)

Dave Yates (PAH)

ISH-NA

Open vs Closed Systems - Saturday AM session.

Bring your armor(G). Cooking with PAH rides again - only this time it's with teeth and an attitude.

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Mark Hunt

Re:we will out live them you ll see:)


Will the folks that use open systems?

Mark H

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Mark Eatherton1

They will provided...

they don't breathe...:-) Alternatively, the use a NIOSH face mask while they shower.

So, this brazen new technology, is it super conducting plastic tube that can efficiently spread energy over the course of 16" centers regardless of floor covering and load factors, or is it something more simple like fusion...

Curious minds want to know:-)


ME

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Robert O'Connor_7

Never ceases to amaze me..

How these people market this stuff slays me. I read an interesting artical a few years back that said you get a portion of your bodys water needs through absorbtion, (as in taking showers). Just curious if RSTAR has one in his own house? I'm still waiting for his data which he has NOT provided anyone on the RPA site and was convenienty removed. This system & it's owner are a JOKE!.Robert O'Connor/NJ

hr

Consider the toddler

in the photo. Hold your breath in the shower, little baby

hot rod

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Troy_3

Physics ba humbug

You engineering types get way too hung up on the facts. Can't you just shut your eyes and brains and dream a little. This is revolutionary. He says! It must be true. He wouldn't sell it if it wasn't good right?Poor John Q. Is s.oil mentioned in this article? I know there must be some secret potion?

Dave Yates (PAH)

It's embarrasing to see FHB

selling out for advertising dollars. As one of the top-rated magazines, I'm surprised they come off as being ignorant or unaware of the problems/dangers associated with open systems.

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Don Walsh

Maybe there is another approach???

If each of us were to ask everyone in our e-mail address books to send a request for a "free installation manual" to this fine upstanding gentleman, he might be so overwhelmed processing the requests that he might have a bit of difficulty doing business for a while, so to avoid that we should perhaps just call his 1-800-451-7593 phone number (several times a day if necessary to garner the information we need) Once connected, we should ask about the following items: (1) ask about possible adverse health effects from using an "open system." (2) to inquire about design assistance, (3) to ask what brand name components are included in his "package deals" (4) to ask for more information about radiant cooling, etc,etc., After all, he advertises his company as having more experience in radiant heating than "anyone else in the field" So why shouldn't we ask the wise master for advice? He is offering it to us FREE of charge!

Heck, if we could get 150 folks from around the country to Baltimore, we should surely be able to get at least 1000 folks to GIVE HIM A CALL!
1-800-451-7593 Call today and learn all there is to know about radiant heating from the Master himself!

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Unknown

Robert thinks we all should want to be his \"partners\",,,

I find it curious that the RPA's RadNet has seen to it that he has his own little section there under a pull down menu called "Commentaries"
http://www.rpa-info.com/forums/Archives/Archive-000002/HTML/20040308-24-000636.html

Why does he continue to waste his money and send to us, "little people" professionals his nice glossy literature? Let's all call him, as I already have done numerous times. Although I can't seem to get through to R.Starr of RADIANTEC and-or any answers on the line? I'm sure he can explain it all to me once he has the time. I don't need figures. I need dreams. Pipedreams. Can you imagine one of his open-combined systems powered by a Vitodens? LOL


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GH

PM mag Hot Rod

Infrared photography in PM mag.How much flow in each
system- What temp water- What diameter tube-How thick
sub-floor-What BTU out put ? We have this equipment and
can make a mouse glow in the dark from body heat BUT
the mouse cant heat the house.

tombig

Seems like

I've heard that before.............and agree!

D Peel

I Like It

When other people advertise radiant.
I don`t have to believe in their products. I don`t have to believe in their methods. I just need the opportunity to offer what I do. On site or at the kitchen table I can make my pitch, show my concerns with other offers and enlighten the innocent consumer. While some advertising may be misleading I still think the industry grows with exposure and training. Enjoy....Dan

mp1969

radiantec

Hot Rod and fellow Wetheads,
In this day and age of do-it -yourselfers, marketing tends to outweigh knowledge. Well put together advertising often missleads those who want a great system but want the "proverbial Cadillac at the Yugo price".
Promotion and support of codes and there enforcment and the final push to require insurance companies to inspewct and certify structures

mp1969

radiantec

Hot Rod and fellow Wetheads,
In this day and age of do-it -yourselfers, marketing tends to outweigh knowledge. Well put together advertising often missleads those who want a great system but want the "proverbial Cadillac at the Yugo price".
Promotion and support of codes and their enforcment is essential! The final push to require insurance companies to inspect and certify structures as sound and insurable will bring back the work to reliable,bondable and bonafide contractors.
The box stores and these fly by nights will thrive if we do not utilize legitimate resources to challenge and expose ther deficiencies.
This is the real purpose of associations and professionalism.Our trade and others are being challenged and we need to respond in smart easy to understand ways!

Thanks
R. Kontny

Ken_8

Oh Yatesy,

I love when you talk "butch" and put on the full body armour.

ISH, Boston, Be there to se you in full regalia!

Cannot wait.

I offer to be your "seargent at arms"

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Ken_8

I too subscribe to

this rag.

It is pricey, has great photos and ads and is NOT the seminal work of upscale building it portends to be.

It is a rag with some very suspect journalism - and very suspect articles. They take "copy" from anyone. Anyone who knows the difference between sheet rock and plaster and lath - and/or who know the spelling nuances of their, there and they're.

A clear case of content over substance



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Constantin

Don't Dispair!

Perhaps you live in one of those areas like Massachussetts that does not allow PEX in interior water tubing applications yet. Thus, you'd have a perfectly good reason for not having installed an open system in your or your customers homes! (hee hee hee)

But seriously, I could see how builders would be attracted to this the same way that IT/Teclo maintenance folks are attracted to VoIP. Such a system reduces the complexity of the piping running through the house significantly. Were it not for the significant health issues, it may even have been a good idea for some applications.

What makes me wonder is whether a "properly designed" open system would in fact be cheaper to install, starting with the non-ferrous components, etc. even if you figure in non-O2 barrier PEX. I suspect that the initial cost may be lower. However, on a life-cycle basis (i.e. incorporating operating, maintenance costs) my gut tells me that the tables would be turned.

I cannot even begin to think how I would justify a open application in our home. Thus, there will be two dead-water systems in our house using PEX. One for the heating, one for the sprinkler system. The potable system will be copper (code).

Robert O'Connor_7

Maybe?

What if we collectively purchased one of R-STARS systems, then ran it through OUR tests and after, turn it over to IBR to test as well. I think I could figure a way to get some funding for it and then get the CDC involved. Without a proactive approach one day a family member may be subjected to the ill effects of this misguided mans attempts at making the ol mighty dollar. Think about one of your kids having a playdate in someones house and then being exposed to it. It would then be too late..Just an idea??...Robert O'Connor/NJ

Dave Yates (PAH)

The funny thing is

they changed my subject that I'm speaking about Friday morning on properly sizing water heaters - and yes - that includes dual use applications to the title of "Open vs Closed Systems" for Saturday's performance. Suits me! Should be a hoot & covers one heck of a lot more than the bacterial issues. Sacramento was just a warm up exercise & I learned a lot from that experience at the RPA convention.

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leo g_13

hey ken,

did you ever meet with that builder who used mr. starr,s system and thought so highly of it? i think you said you were to meet him on your way up to your cabin a bit ago. if so, what transpired?

leo g

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Paul Pollets

Sophisticated consumers...

...May take more convincing than a full page ad in FHB. Caveat Emptor...let the buyer beware. These are short term systems that have high energy costs. Very comparable to Low Ball forced air in a certain way...cheap to install, expensive to run, not able to meet design temps in certain applications, excessive surface panel temps, risk of potable contamination...shall I go on? Marketing is what R**tech does best. I'd be well versed in how to overcome the objections to their products and services, if the opportunity arises. That's would be rather easy, don't you think?

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