just want to cry

Rudy

It took me a long time to try to post this message because I could not find the words for this........ what ever it is.....I hope the pics come through.
At most the house is 5000 sq. ft. The boiler is 5 section and imposible to work on. Customer says it heats bad. I belive him, the loops are monoflow tees that are installed more ways than you could think of. They saved the 1/2" cast iron bb in all rooms. Most rooms are zoned and work poorly. The boiler room is cement but the basement has more room. They could have done this different.
I install buderus products and this realy hurt seeing someone do this. I am very happy I had nothing to do with it and I hope something positive comes from this post.
thanks
mellow
P.S. pics. sideways sorry not sure how to do this computer stuff.

Constantin

Wow!

I'm simply amazed how much the installer tried to cram into that little space. It's somewhat reminiscient of my mothers utility room where two 124 units turn the 9x5 space into a toasty sauna in the summertime. Considering how tight her home is, I wonder if the second unit ever fires concurrently with the first one. Gotta love closed-cell polyurethane!

What amazes me even more though is the forest of copper plumbing. In a home that small, one would think that a couple of variable-speed pumps with pressure-delta transducers could reduce the number of pumps to a manageable level, then use simple on/off zoning valves closer to the point of use (i.e. have a couple of "trunk lines" go to manifolds, then regulate from there)?

Note: I'm just a HO who's read Siegenthalers book back to back. I hope that this trunk idea + local mainifolds is an idea that will work, since I'd like to heat my home this way. Not only does it reduce the number of pumps that need to be installed, but it also theoretically allows room-by-room zoning upgrades in the future (if needed).

As for editing the pictures, if you use a windows machine, I highly recommend the free Irfanview software that you can download from many places, including cnet.com. Easy to use, get's the job done, and free! On the Mac side, you can easily manipulate images with iPhoto. Linux users are probably wedded to Gimp (also free).

Rudy

Thanks for the reply and the info. Yes the job cost must have been high but at least it looks impresive. Wish I could have the copper when he rips it out. That sould be soon, when they don't want to freeze anymore.

Kal Row

this is really sad

since i would give the installer an A+ for effort and workmanship - and a F for engineering - they guy "did" - but did not "think" - just think - what just one of holohan's or ziggis books would do for this guy - he could put us all to shame - what a freeking waste

Robert O'Connor_3

Cornered the market on copper

Is this the cause of the recent price spikes on copper tubing? A shortage caused by this one installation.

bob young

pipefitters

definitely not a bad pipefitter. reminds me of meter banks of individual gas lines in apartment buildings.ever see one hundred 3/4 " threaded black steel lines running in a cradle , tight centers and a million perfect tandem breaks and offsets? heavy duty.impossible to ever work on. condemn,abandon & relocate.

Walter_3

pumps position?

is this correct position for the circulators?Just asking.

Walter_3

pumps position?

ops.Just did not recognised the position of the picture.

Mad Dog

Did he ever hear of manifolds boards??????????

you know those fancy, expensive things called 3/4" plywood and some paint........Wouldn't want to have to fix a solder joint leak in the midst of that. Maddog

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Mad Dog

exactly bob

Maddog

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lchmb

turned for an easy look

clammy

wow wee

NO wonder i couldn't find any elbows at the supply house this guy grabbed them all !mad dogs got that right how about changing one of those back pumps do you have to be rubber man .I think i'de do as mad dog says pre build a panel and re locate it to a servicable area if ya don't have the time the first time you'll never find it the second time chk these out good luck and don't it suck when ya gotta fix some one else mess peace

Matt Undy

monoflow

So they put all that time and material into the boiler room piping but they were too cheap to do a 2 pipe for the supply. Maybe the original installer wasn't aware you could do a 2 pipe instead of a monoflow? Looks like that boiler piping certianly reflects some sort of inability to think of and evaluate multiple ways of accomplishing a task...

Matt

techheat_2

This pic should

be mandatory viewing before starting the next "Circs vs Zone Valves" thread

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