Viessmann photos

ScottMP

and just got back to take some photos.

Another JCA boiler replacement. The oil company told her they would quote a WM and I offered a Buderus or Viessmann. After waiting about a month she called me back to say they never heard back from Her oil co.. Ya snooze Ya loose !

I guess if you look at the old boiler, the Oil Co. was Happy with the way it was running :).

After testing, Chris had to LOWER the stack temperature so we would'nt be condensing in the chimney. How's that. Its a first for me. We had to "lower" the efficiency of the boiler. Power venting was not a option due to the boiler location and sill location.

Heres the old beast

Scott

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ScottMP

And heres the new girl

Sorry to say No diamond plate

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sootmonkey

hello

VERY nice. I would like to add my side to the coment "The oil co. was very happy with the way it was running." I work for a fairly large oil company. My main duties include tune ups and repairs. It is in my best interest to make sure that the customer has a safe and reilable heating system. How would you feel if something bad, reaily bad, happened to a system that you just worked on last week? I would feel the same. When I see a system like the one that you just replaced, I often reccommend that they replace it,if not for safety reasons for reliablity reasons. Trust me when I say 'I don't want the no heat call on that old beast at one in the A.M.' You do very nice installs. Keith

ScottMP

Thanks Keith

Let me explain, when I said they where happy with the way it was running. I meant that the old best was burning alot of oil and keeping the tanks full was fine with them. She was running fine and I allways get a kick when customers say to me " Oh its runnning at 80% ". The burners running fine, its just that the heat is just waving hello to the boiler while it runs up the chimney.

Scott

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Robert O'Connor_3

Switches?

What are all the light switches for? You let them turn off zones manually?

S Ebels

Hey Chowdahead!

Nice work. Ya got some good guys doing the piping. I'm curious as to what the firing rate of the old beast was compared to the Vitola. That looks like about a 10 or 12" stack on the W/M vs what, maybe 7" on the Viessmann?
Probably hit 86-88% on the new one?

J.C.A._3

Joe,

Switch for every pump. That's the way I like it done. If I have to replace something on 1 zone, I don't have to take the whole system down.

Yes, they are marked per zone. The homeowner asked just before I left....What do I need to know? Standard response...OUR PHONE NUMBER. Chris

J.C.A._3

Great guess Steve!

Had it up around 88%, with a flue temp of 280°. The chimney is lined brick, and too large to run at such a low temp.. (hence Scott' comment about having to LOWER the efficentcy) Got it to 345° and a steady state rating of 86%. (barometric dampers are a wonderful thing!, and having attended the Viessman training class a couple weeks before got me the info I needed to get the flue temp. up)

The old unit was running at 2.65GPH. I believe the Viessman is running about the same, but a whole lot less! I was in the home yesterday(it was in the low 30° range outside) for about 1 and1/2 hours, and heard the burner fire 2 times while there. The old beast would be running non-stop on days like that. Thanks for the comments. Chris

Paul Pollets

Scott...

do you use a flue liner when replacing the appliance?

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Weezbo

thats the way ta doit.

wiring that is kept or run straight is the way to go! fine example of boiler room correctness:) I just Knew there had to be at least one or two people out there into Keeping it straight!

heatboy

You really are a ...............

closet Viessmann fanatic, aren't you? My goal in Baltimore is to feed you and Chris enough lager that you will dump that Blue line of stuff and come over to the dark side ;-)

BTW. Very nice work, as usual. And, thanks for not using DP! (g)

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J.C.A._3

Weezbo,

The electrician and I went to high school together,He was in the electrical shop, I was in the Diesel Engine shop .

We both went onto do different things, in the years directly after High School( He was a fisherman for the family boat, I went into the Coast Guard and continued to work on and repair engines for the next 4 years).Served at the same "smallboat station" as our esteemed colleauge....Noel for my last year!;)

We happened to be working at the same home, on my first job while working for Mr. Milne. Coincedence?, I like to think not. He does anything I ask, and is real good about getting his "helpers" to do it "his way".

I wish I had the time to do it myself, but I think we've got some good guys doing it when I can't. A "great heating electrician" is hard to find! They either get it , or they don't. Finding one that does, is akin to the proverbial needle in the haystack.

Thanks for the great comment AND observation. I like to think WE do it right. Chris

Kal Row

another idea

i use a GFI to supply the whole show
so now i can use switch outlets, with plug cords for the pumps, to unplug a pump if i dont want it to run, or override on, if i want it to run regardless of the controls

Weezbo

some things are worth saving:)

Threads?

J.C.A._3

Thanks Weezbo !

I'll be going back to the home soon to look things over, and install some Runtal radiation for the Dining Area.

I'm glad to report that the boiler room is now free of the dreaded "soot webs" that I used to spend 20 minutes washing out of my hair, and the interior of the boiler and flue piping look just like the day they were fired for the first time.

Haven't had a chance to go over the oil delivery reciepts with the homeowner yet, but I will be comparing gallons to gallons, as dollars to dollars would be a complete disaster knowing the fuel cost increases incured over the last year.

Thanks for bringing this back up. I appreciate it. Apparently, I missed the post on the GFCI plugs and switches. Would be nice.....if the great Commenwealth of Mass. didn't have such strict codes. (that would go over like a lead baloon with any inspectors here!).Chris

Darin Cook_3

Great Job!!

Proof that a time machine exists. You took the customer fifty years forward in a hurry. What were all the newspapers on the floor in the old picture? Was that to absorb all the oil out of the bearing assemblies on the old B&G's? I like the trench box to run all the wiring thru. It makes it look so much neater. Keep up the good work.





Darin

Mike Kraft_2

Nice work Milne and Co.!

That is quite the wiring, switched pumps that is.I must say its a first for my eyes.And seems like a good thing.Point taken Chris.........you dudes are always thinking.How long did the change out take?Also curious about chimney condition and a liner.Whats your take Chris?Nice job!

cheese

J.C.A._3

Thanks Cheese.

The family went without hot water for a day and a half.Few days to final piping was connected. Lots of things coming from so many different directions! The nightmare that was, took a while to remove. Lots of speedy dry on the floor, and it seemed the sweeping would never end.(Yes Darin, that's exactly why the newspapers were there)

The chimney was a 12X12 clay lined brick chimney.My biggest concern was the initial low flue temp. I knew it wouldn't last too long with the initial readings.Punching a few "strategic holes" in the appropriate places brought it up to a tolerable level. No problems as far as I have seen. The chimney is about 28' high, and the "byproducts of combustion" haven't had any noticable effect, so far.

Thanks for the good words. Chris

Joe@buderus

Just had to say it looks like a nice, neat, quality, professional job!

Unknown

Hey Scott

When are you going to buy Chris a digital camera so he can share more jobs with us online ? Fantastic work . With that tight an area I guess it was hard to get a pic of the piping behind the boiler ? The separate switches for each zone and the long rectangle junction box are a great touch .

How heavy is that Viesmann ? Looks very substantial . And what kind of burner does it use ? Any pics with the cover off ? Great job Chris and crew , can't wait to see the next one .

ScottMP

Hey Joe

Thanks for the nice comments, I have no idea why this post came back up. I guess Weezbo was looking in the attic .

Having just come back from Buderus in Germany I would rather you see these pictures instead

Scott

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Joe_51

WEEZBO

you hit the nail on the head about the electrician thing......I spent 10 years design/build commericial refrigeration electrical systems. I still am amazed at some of the electrical work I had to troubleshoot/replace. I GOOD control electrician is hard to come by.

J.C.A._3

Hey Joey.....

How would you like to troubleshoot this one ?

J.C.A._3

Hey Joey.....

How would you like to troubleshoot this one ?

BIG CHUCKLE!!!!!

Joe@buderus

Ahh, I really like those pictures with the blue.

Scott, It is nice to see good, professional installs no matter the "color". If anyone else would have to service the equipment they would appreciate the efforts. Hopefully the HO can fully realize what kind of work they received!

Thanks,

Mike Kraft_2

Wow!

Rolled up sleeves and alotta patience!Good gawd!

cheese

Weezbo

crack open one of those tanning beds from switzerland ...

nice and neat and orderly..however ya just Know its gonna take a while:) not snivilin

Weezbo

Hello again:) Blue is good..I like Blue:)

dualies and one with a brain:).........been holding out somea da good ones hey ?:)

tim smith_2

boiler install

Nice looking job on the Viessmann boiler, only question I got was why the spirovent was on the outlet side of the pump rather than the inlet side which i normally see.