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Header piping

Mijola
Mijola Member Posts: 124
I have been asked to solve a short cycling and water hammer problem on a one pipe system. The boiler was replaced about four years ago and they have been having problems ever since. The boiler is a 240,000 BTU Burnham with two, two inch outlets. One in front and one in back. ( When you get to this size, I prefer a Utica boiler with two Four inch outlets.) A four inch header runs along the back of the boiler and the rear tapping ties into the end of the header. The front tapping is plugged. As soon as the boiler starts to make steam the water level tilts a good eight inches and the boiler goes off on low water. You can watch the water in the sight glass drop to nothing. As soon as the pressure goes down, the sight glass rises and the boiler starts up again. I intend to put an elbow at the end of the header and run it along the side of the boiler to the front to pick up the front tapping. Both two inch feed lines will be before the take offs to the rest of the house. The bottom of the header is about 26 inches above the water line, but because of the 2 inch lines feeding it I want more height to insure dry steam. I was thinking of going straight up and dropping down into the top of the header instead of going in on the side. I have done this on large commercial jobs (N.Y.C. schools) but not on small systems like this. I wonder if it is worth doing. I would appreciate any comments. Ray Binder, R. Binder Plumbing & Heating.

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  • Mijola
    Mijola Member Posts: 124


    I have been asked to solve a short cycling and water hammer problem on a one pipe system. The boiler was replaced about four years ago and they have been having problems ever since. The boiler is a 240,000 BTU Burnham with two, two inch outlets. One in front and one in back. ( When you get to this size, I prefer a Utica boiler with two Four inch outlets.) A four inch header runs along the back of the boiler and the rear tapping ties into the end of the header. The front tapping is plugged. As soon as the boiler starts to make steam the water level tilts a good eight inches and the boiler goes off on low water. You can watch the water in the sight glass drop to nothing. As soon as the pressure goes down, the sight glass rises and the boiler starts up again. I intend to put an elbow at the end of the header and run it along the side of the boiler to the front to pick up the front tapping. Both two inch feed lines will be before the take offs to the rest of the house. The bottom of the header is about 26 inches above the water line, but because of the 2 inch lines feeding it I want more height to insure dry steam. I was thinking of going straight up and dropping down into the top of the header instead of going in on the side. I have done this on large commercial jobs (N.Y.C. schools) but not on small systems like this. I wonder if it is worth doing. I would appreciate any comments. Ray Binder, R. Binder Plumbing & Heating.
  • gerry gill
    gerry gill Member Posts: 3,078
    it will help alot

    to do that..we do that all the time, like this.
    gwgillplumbingandheating.com
    Serving Cleveland's eastern suburbs from Cleveland Heights down to Cuyahoga Falls.

  • It's the latest craze

    dropping into the header , that is . And it's a great idea for commercial and residential . I think Gerry Gill posted a picture recently of a Burnham with 2 - 2 inch tappings that went immediately to 4 inch and into a 4 inch dropped header . Fantastic job , does anyone remember the name of the post ? Here a pic of a recent Burnham steamer we installed , nowhere near as good as Gerry's , but it's a start .
  • Earthfire
    Earthfire Member Posts: 543
    drop header

    take a look at the pictures in the "New burnham steamer Thread with a March 10 date. A Drop header with 2 risers of the boiler will help with your water tilting problem
  • Earthfire
    Earthfire Member Posts: 543
    At the top

    I think I just brought it up to the top
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 17,387
    That will work great, Ray

    and a drop header is also much easier to put together. Make sure the piping betwen the steam risers is also four-inch.

    The tilting waterline results from that plugged front tapping. Steam builds up so fast inside the boiler that it overwhelms the single 2-inch riser.

    Here's a Columbia we did with a drop header.

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  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 17,387
    That will work great, Ray

    and a drop header is also much easier to put together. Make sure the piping betwen the steam risers is also four-inch.

    The tilting waterline results from that plugged front tapping. Steam builds up so fast inside the boiler that it overwhelms the single 2-inch riser. Adding the second riser will cure the problem.



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