155 posts...

Robby P

Imported vs domestic
lots of ramifications from all perspectives. But lets look at it professionally.
Dupont and Hercules couldn't keep a domestic plastic pipe that they felt lived up to their standards. We now have imported pex that is being touted as the greatest thing since ice cream. Read the engineering books on these products and disclaimers- see if it really is what you thought.

Low mass cold start boilers imported and touted as the greatest thing since ice cream- read the new chimney codes
and see where this is taking us.

Pressure fired heating equipment in a residential setting along with make up air and cold combustion air problems.

this could go on and on, but as a wise old burnerman told me years ago
"the only problem with all this new equipment is it's the same old cold"

I'm trying to keep him in soc. security funds. I wonder who'll be keeping me in them?

E PLURIBUS UNUM

eleft(retired)_4

155 posts..yep

Robby,
we are responsible for our own demise. We are victims of our own demands for government intervention. "there should be a law" How many times have you heard or read that? In true Capitalism the best deal wins. We can't buy a product that isn't tainted with "foreign" material or labor, even if we think it's made in the USA.
Even reality isn't real anymore(TV programs).
A few more regulations, bills or laws...well you get it.

al

Mad Dog

Want to read a great book on the subject

THE DEATH OF COMMONSENSE, HOW LAW IS SUFFOCATING AMERICA - Philip K. Howard, Esquire. Great book fast read, eye opening. Mad Dog

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S Ebels

What new codes

Are you refering to? There was talk a couple years ago here in michigan that ALL fuel fired appliances would some day have to be vented vertically. No more ground or grade level discharge of exhaust. Personally, I don't think that's all bad. Are the codes you're talking about just local or are they of statewide or national jurisdiction?

kevin_5

There's probably a law...

against books like that. ;-) Sounds interesting. Reminds me of a quote by one of the founding fathers that said our form of govt. was wholly unsuitable to an immoral irreligious people. Seems that's what we've got now. Lots of unscrupulous people with lots of freedom to take advantage of others; and lots of unscrupulous lawyers cashing in on more laws to stop them... Kevin

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eleft(retired)_5

Steve

Where is the reference to codes are asking about?

al

Ken D.

155 POSTS

A good book to read is AMERICA:WHAT WENT WRONG by Donald Barlett and James Steele (1992 Andrews and McMeel- Universal Press Syndicate Co.)This tells of the government rule books that favor one company or business over another at the expense of home grown taxpayers, citizens and companies. Did you know that the US government and ultimately the taxpayers through the Overseas Private Investment Corp. (OPIC) will reimburse any company or individual who invests in overseas markets for any and all loses incurred weather war or act of God or anything else. Wouldn't it be nice if you could do the same? So many manufacturers going to China, India, etc.,etc., where they don't have to worry about paying for healthcare, or Social Security, State, Federal, or Local taxes, pensions, a decent living wage,or don't have to worry about enviromental issues,liability lawsuits,OSHA, building or fire or safety codes, Child Labor laws, Unions, competition, product safety, or any one of the myriad of restrictions placed upon US manufacturers or businesses. It costs Nike 12 Dollars to make an imported pair of sneakers and they sell them for $150. The Asian countries operate sweatshops with child labor that they pay pennies for, basically putting them where the US was in the 1800's. Even Japan makes things in China. So next time you go to Wal-Mart to buy your Made IN China products (Which is about all you will see there), think about the former industrial might of the US, with out which we would all be speaking German an Japanese. Think about your former customers who cannot afford your services because they are making low wages at hamburger joints, discount stores,etc or not working at all, or your commercial/industrial customers that you lost when the company packed up and went to China. There, Feel better?

eleft(retired)_5

Ken, I feel the same, thank you.

Most people are unaware their car parts come from china and didn't get the cars from Wall Mart. Wheel bearings, castings, electrical components, brake assemblies etc. Also the machine components we are communicating on, yep, made in china. If you don't want to wear foreign made clothes you probably will be nude. Where is the fuel oil we heat with come from?
They should think about it before generalizing.

al

Murph'_5

I think that is the message...

Justin was trying to get across, maybe we can fix it!!



Murph'

S Ebels

It's in

Robby P's post up above.

Murph'_5

could it be....

down below now??!



Murph'

eleft(retired)_5

Notta, on fix

Hi BJ,

I think all history would have to be erased, back to 1940, to fix it.

al

Mad Dog

Got that one on the book shelf too

some valid points and good arguments. Mad Dog

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Luke Lefever

That is totally true...

I changed the brake rotors on our family car a couple of years ago... went to local AutoZone.

$9 a piece, made in China. It doesn't seem possible to cast and machine, then ship a brake rotor from China to Indiana and then sell it for $9. Somewhere somebody wasn't paid fairly for their work. Was it the factory, the warehouse forklift driver, the dock worker, the AutoZone employee or all of the above? Makes you wonder.