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Who designs Radiant Systems
Took this quote from the Munchkin thread. "( I'm amazed how many jobs I lose to supposed professionals who install a CI boiler with no mixing feeding a complete radiant house. A wholesaler just told me that the concern I share is overrated. He claims he has kept track and none of the systems he has designed in this fashion has had condensation problems. )"
Is the boiler manufacturer or the installer responsibile for the problems down the road? The salesman at the supply house (or rep) who is only concerned with moving product out of his door is HARMING his clients and associates( The manufacturers, the installers, the homeowners, and his competitors.) Is anybody going to remember that the wholesalers salesman designed a system that is substandard? The answers going to be: the damn plastic pipe is junk! the boiler is junk! that damn system is just a fad. The REAL ANSWER is: everyone that graduated high school has had at least one class on basic High School Physics. The LAWS of PHYSICS rule every day life. Drop a wrench it falls down, heat goes to cold,etc. You have to RESPECT the LAWS of PHYSICS, disregard Them, They will come back to bite ya, just like the falling wrench that your dumb enough to be standing under.
A Installer that says, "there is nothing to this stuff its just pipe" and has had no training goes to the wholesaler, who sees "Lowball Man", and the wholesaler(rep) wants to sell product. "That mixing valve is too expensive, besides we don't stock it and it'll take 4 wks to get here. That reset control, What do ya want that stuff for? too much money & can't get one for 6 wks. besides nobody else uses it or we would be stocking it. Oh yeh, the shipping on all that SPECIAL ORDER stuff will kill ya."
The system rewards the bottom feeders, sales man moves units out the door gets a fat bonus, a vacation in cancun, etc. When the warranty claims come in do they come back to the salesman that misapplied the product ? No it costs the homeowner (Agravation), the installer (if he is still around), the service company that has to deal with a dog of a job and an upset homeowner, And last but not least the boiler and tubing manufacturers.And the wholesaler(Rep) makes out cause the product moves thru his doors.
Just my RANT for today :-) The day is only half done!