My First and Last Radiant Install - More Info...

Joe_28

I'm totally overwhelmed by the responses to my previous post. Thought I would try to answer a couple of the questions.

The house has been under construction for 2 years - it is a do-it-yourself project my son-in-law has undertaken along with his dad and myself.

Job pricing: Priceless... it was for my only daughter.

The devices above the circulators are industrial temperature sensors are showing the return water temperature from each zone. They were developed for the NASA space program. I had an inside track on acquiring this new technology that has yet to be released to private industry. ...Or maybe they're meat thermometers we purchased at Aldi's discount foods for less than 10 bucks.

How long did it take to do this job? I didn't try to keep track of the hours...heck, I didn't even try to keep track of the months.

The relays in the electric panel are standard 8 pin octigal base DPDT ice cube relays that start the individual circulators and the indicator light on a call from the thermostat in the area served.

H.R. asked about the machine turning on the cover. Yes I did that quickly . I fabbed the Munchkin stand out of aluminum. Next time you make a trip to Jefferson City, we'd be honored to have you come by and take a look at the job.

There's a few more pictures below. All of the interest in this project really blows me away.

Robert O'Connor_7

DUDE.......................XLENT! A#1. Gotta ask? Union or Non union? glad to know there are still skilled tradesmen left.

jackchips_2

Blows you away?

What do you think it does to us?

When they start "The Wall" hall of fame you would certainly deserve to be on it.

Steve Ebels

Hey

You shouldn't be blown away. Darn near all of us that inhabit this place live and breath to do the best work we possibly can and it's just a joy to see someone new who feels the same way. Your work there is just flat out ART!!! I love it!! That job should be in a museum or at the least a showroom that has about 10,000 people a day go through it. It's just great to see a job that was well thought out before the torch was picked up. What more can I say.

tim smith_2

quality!!!!!!!!!

I cannot tell you what I think of the work you did as I am speachless. We all here would love to be able to afford the luxury of doing that quality of work. I showed it to my business partner this morning and he thought it was great. But he does not have the passion I have for this stuff. sorry to lose you to retirement but I am sure you deserve it. Good Luck TS

Unknown

Looks like you need some snow melt.

You sure you want to retire? I sure would love to see your version of a snow melting application.

Well done sir.

Gary Wallace


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Mark Eatherton1

Joe...

It is an excellent system. A word of caution, and hopefully you've already covered it. The bottom of the floors will radiate heat downward causing the basment to be hotter the 7734 upside down. Make sure you have your young'ns insulate the bottom side of the panning or they will have two problems on their hands. A basement that never drops below 80, and an upstairs that never gets above 60.

Contrary to popular myth, heat does not rise. Hot fluids do, but heat energy travels in ALL directions through the path of least resistance. My offer still stands.

ME

BillW@honeywell

If you're going to be in Baltimore 4/17/04...

about 200 of us would sure be all ears and eyes for anything you had to "show & tell"! How about a visit to Wetstock?

Unknown

Nothing but the best

for the kids . Wow , Joe , you're truly an inspiration . I've been installing boilers for 17 years , non stop , and I can honestly say I couldn't make a system look as good as you did . And coming out of retirement no less . I saw the 45 degree angle on the piping - I go nuts trying to make one 45 bend . Excellent work .

DaveGateway

Insulating under deck, etc.

From the beginning of this project, we've been concerned about radiant heat losses into the basement, but so far it doesn't seem to be a problem. Checked the top of the slab today and temp was 75-80 degrees while the underside of the deck was showing 57-59 degrees. I've been checking it the last week and it seems to be fairly consistent. When the floor was poured, we really worked at keeping the mesh and pex pulled up above the center line and the floor will be left uncovered (stained concrete) with only area rugs. We're hoping we won't need to insulate the underside of the deck.

As far as my work history, I've had a UA card since 1964.

Bill, I'd sure like to be in Baltimore in April, but I'm too far behind on my other projects. My desire to be there would be to learn more from you guys. I learned 99% of what I know about residential radiant systems from The Wall and from Dan's books. Thanks for the invitation anyway.

Robert O'Connor_7

UA

I knew it. You just don't find too many installs like yours, Non. What local you from?? I'm a 25 yr. member Local 24 Newark, NJ.... Rock on brother

DaveGateway

UA

Local #562 St.Louis.

Dave Bush

That is some flawless work.
You're a true craftsman.

bob_25

Question

Joe, I am not familiar with the Munchkin. Would you please explain your near boiler piping. I can see the bypass in the photos but it looks like the zone pumps are at least partialy in series with the main pump. I'm also a retired UA fitter, almost three years now. It's amazing how fast hydronic technology is advancing, if you are out of the loop for a couple of years you feel like an antique. bob

walt_3

radiant job

been out of the country
missed the original thread with pics
can someone forward please
sounds like a job we all need to strive to equal

W

Aidan

See

"My First and Last Radiant Install" posted 02/03/04 below, it hasn't fallen off the wall yet.

http://forums.invision.net/Thread.cfm?CFApp=2&Thread_ID=13602&mc=37

Bill Stobbs

first and last radiant project

I have sold Joe commercial pumps for 20 years when he was
a 562 fitter. All his jobs look this good.

Paul Mitchell

Looked at all the pics...question

First you are an animal..a piping machine...What is the math for figuring the distance of 45's??? Couldyou tell me?
Paul

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Unknown

I'd like to know too

If it was me , I would've given up after the first 5 wrong cuts and put an ell and street ell where every 45 was sweat in . That's very tricky and very well done 45 work .

DaveGateway

45 degree angle

In answer to your question about figuring the length of a 45 degree offset, I have always layed it out as though it was going to be a 90 degree offset, measure your 90 degree offset distance, and multiply by 1.41 to determine your center-to-center length on the 45 degree offset. I don't know if they're still available, but Lufkin used to make a folding wood ruler with the offset length on the back side.