Replaced a Weil Mclain with another Weil

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The customer was fed up with their old service . The fluepipe literally fell apart last month , so they replaced only part of it . They did not bother to check the chimney , which was about 80 percent blocked with hard soot . And also at some point someone disconnected the hot and cold to the heater - without removing the power , oil line or fluepipe . They used a relay as a preference for the heater - I guess to make up for the bad draft problem .

I'm not sure what model number Weil that was , but it was HEAVY .

Unknown

Good combo

Weil Gold 3 section and a Burnham Alliance . We usually use the Megastor , so I was wondering - other than the big sighthole port on top for the Megastor , is there any difference between the 2 brands ?

It looks pretty tough to reach but the fluepipe was installed last , and it really isn't too hard to get to the chimney if needs be .

George_10

I am curious,

was the system cleaned and treated after the installation of the new boiler. It isn't just curiosity on my part, but a serious question since you say this is a new account for you and you would like to prevent problems.

My company would do this as a matter of course in a new boiler installation. We would do it whether it was a new system or an existing system like this one. The point is it gives the new boiler a clean start and removes all the junk that collects in an existing system. It is done all the time in industrial systems, which is where we gained out knowledge of system cleaning and treatment.

System cleaning and treatment are the norm in industrial situations. They do it for the most basic of reasons, it saves money and prevents problems.

ScottMP

who makes the alliance

for Burnham ?

The megastor is a great product.

And as always Ron a tip of the hat.

Scott

PS : Are you going to try and make wetstock IV ?

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Unknown

We clean the system

when it is purged of air . We do this with just the hot water from the boiler . Have you found that if a closed system is not cleaned and treated there will be problems in the future ? To tell you the truth , I have never treated the water in a closed system . Steam on the other hand .......

Unknown

I would think

that Crown makes both the Megastor and Alliance . I like this smaller style better - those tall 50 gal heaters are a **** to pipe in a small space .

Thank you Scott . Yep , I'm gonna make this Wetstock , maybe even get a vanpool going for the L.I. Wetheads . Are you going to make it ? Maybe you and Chris , I hope ?

Frank_15

I thought

that you were never supposed to open anything in a closed system because you don't want to add any water unless you have to.

GaryDidier

WEIL

Hey Ron,
At least this one was not in a closet.You might get spoiled!Nice clean job. How come you dont use the circs with internal flo checks?
Gary from Granville

Paul Mitchell

Cleaned and treated?

That is a small residential boiler....What do you mean "cleaned and treated"???

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Scott M_2

Air scoop?

Hey Ron,
How do you get away with no air scoop or scrubber? Doesnt the first circ. in line get air bound on occasion? Nicely done.

Unknown

We use

the built in air elimination tapping on top of the boiler . Its hidden behind the header pipe . With that , and a good initial purge , there really is no need for a separate air scoop , in my humble opinion . Thanks Scott .

Unknown

I asked

about using the IFC circs , and I don't think they will try em out for the time being . Yes , we did have some elbow room today - the driveway was one room away and the room itself was big . Thanks Gary .

todd s

Another Nice job Ron!

Is that baseboard used to keep the indirect warm? I like the way you pipe the oil filter so it can easily & neatly be serviced. How is it supported?

George_10

Answers to cleaned and treated

are as follows. We have made our reputation in Southwest Missouri in the industrial water treatment area. We have taken that experience and knowledge and developed two products, specifically for cleaning and treating hydronic systems.
Hotrod wrote a beautiful article on this subject for the RPA newsletter explaining why he thought it was necessary to clean and treat a new system or an existing system.
Our two products do exactly what he is recommending.
I field calls all day from homeowners and contractors with problems that could have been prevented by our two step process.
Our cleaner passivates all the metals within the system and removes cutting oil, flux residue and all other sort of dirt and junk found in both a new system and especially in an existing system. The existing system's corrosion, scale and sludge are removed using the cleaner.
The treatment inhibits corrosion, scale, helps control the pH, has an oxygen scavenger and helps to keep sludge in suspension and not collect.
These two products do exactly as advertised and do maintain system efficiency as long as they are retested once a year.
This is a far less expensive answer than solving problems after they occur.
These modern hydronic systems are high tech marvels and need high tech cleaning and treatment. Both products are enviromentally friendly and safe to use with the various metals and pexs found in these systems.
We are just now beginning to get the word back from contractors that use our products and see the results we are claiming will happen.
Cleaning and treatment are the norm in industrial situations. It will become the norm in this area too, as the problems which are now presenting themselves come to light.
A modern boiler should not have problems in its first two years and have to be replaced. It can be prevented. The same with circulators and valves and all the other components in these systems that have system water contact.
I hope this answers the question I read in this tread. Some time early next year I will have an article published on this subject which will cover this topic in greater detail.