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Jason's best work yet.........(hb)

Mark Eatherton1
Mark Eatherton1 Member Posts: 2,542
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I had a customer once where we had installed a Burnham 180K atmospheric N.G. boiler, and the plumber hooked it up with a S.S. flex connector. This was a HUGE home. The H.O. claimed that he had extremely sensitive hearing and that whenever the boiler was running, that he could hear a high pitched harmonic humm that was directly related to the boiler. Said he could hear it on the other end of the home, completely away from the boiler. I eliminated the flex conn and made him a happy man. I think the ressonance works its way through the gas valve and comes out in the form of noise from the combustion process and also causes the gas line to buzz too.

ME

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  • heatboy
    heatboy Member Posts: 1,468
    It's getting scary!

    We just started up this Vitodens panel last night. I have to give the lad credit. Even I'm impressed!

    hb

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  • Jamie_6
    Jamie_6 Member Posts: 710


    Wow! great looking work! How old is Jason, is he an apprentice?

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  • Alan R. Mercurio
    Alan R. Mercurio Member Posts: 588


    Ya know, There's a guy that lives out just past Allentown, PA he's a pretty sharp fella and really has a passion for the work he does. His name starts with a J I think?

    Well, anyway I bet that's where this lad learned such mechanically artistic skills.

    That's just a humble guess of course :)

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    Alan R. Mercurio

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  • J.C.A._3
    J.C.A._3 Member Posts: 2,980
    Great teacher, great ?

    VERY nice work! I have to ask the same question, is he your apprentice?

    Whatever....Nice looking job. Chris
  • Robert O'Connor_3
    Robert O'Connor_3 Member Posts: 272
    Time

    About how many hours he have in that?
  • Warmfoot
    Warmfoot Member Posts: 127
    Absolutely

    BEAUTIFUL!!


    Ernie Bogue
    Master Hydronics LLC

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  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 0
    wow

    pay that man well!!!!!!!!!
  • heatboy
    heatboy Member Posts: 1,468
    Technically, no.

    He is not an apprentice. Early 30's. His background before he started with me was primarily forced air. A hydronic virgin to the way I want things done. Very willing to learn and great work ethic. It should soon be to the point where I design them and Jason pipes them. Although, now that we are ProPress, it's hard to keep me away :-0 !!

    hb

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  • Dale
    Dale Member Posts: 1,317
    Noise

    Do you usually use CSST for the gas supply? Have you had any pipe horn noise problems with it? Beautiful work as usual, the old masters in Florence had the young guys do most of the work they signed so you're in good company.
  • heatboy
    heatboy Member Posts: 1,468
    Thanks, Dale.....

    for the nice words. Having my peers here ctiique the work is very important. It catches my (many)mental lapses like the low water cut-off placement on the Crown boiler gig. Every project is part of the evolvement. I try to learn something from each one and incoporate new ideas on the next panel or tube install. I guess this is how we all grow.

    I have had no noise issues with CSST, to date. I have applications where it is running 2 PSI gas with no noise at all. Have you or anyone else had any, or heard of, noise issues?

    hb

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  • marc
    marc Member Posts: 203
    condensate pump

    how are you interlocking condensate pump with burner. for safety shut down, most pumps come with n/c contacts. just a question that has been coming up more and more with vitodens. marc
  • Mark Eatherton1
    Mark Eatherton1 Member Posts: 2,542
    Buh???

    Why should/would you need/want to interface the condensate pump with the burner other than pump failure and possibly a wet spot on the floor? A "water-bug" alarm could handle that problem?

    Am I missing something important here?

    TIA

    ME
  • marc
    marc Member Posts: 203
    they dont just drip

    alot of the ones we have installed look like the faucet is on. on furnaces dont you wire pump thru tt. since there is no tt on vitodens, i was wondering if anyone had interlocked pump with boiler. i know the condensate would stain floors ect. pretty quickly. just a question to see if anyone else is concerned about this. somewhere i heard that the 15-60 can make 28-30 liters of condensate per day. that seems like alot to let drip on floor. in fact the last 15-60 i installed the condensate looked like someone left the faucet on.
  • Mark Eatherton1
    Mark Eatherton1 Member Posts: 2,542
    My pumps have a float on them...

    they are available to pump condensate at any time.

    Regardless of whether the boiler is on or not.

    ME
  • Mark Hunt
    Mark Hunt Member Posts: 4,908
    good point


    but I think I would rather face a wet basement than frozen pipes.

    You are right though, those puppies can really produce condensation.

    Mark H

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  • ScottMP
    ScottMP Member Posts: 5,883
    Jeff

    Great work !!

    Its obvious you have given him the tools to do such good work and he has the talent to run with it.

    Scott


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  • Dale
    Dale Member Posts: 1,317
    CSST noise

    Indeed we have had problems and so have the Japanese who invented the stuff. I was at a Tagaki demo and I asked the engineer from Japan about it, he said what we have found which was it's not too common but will be hard to trace if you have it. We have found it usually in 2 pound jobs where the tubing was sized to a 1 pound or 1 1/2 poujd drop on larger loads like 125K and up, and came off the meter at a few right angles. We have gone to upsizing one size to cut the velocity if the tubing will be covered. If it's open like your jobs no big deal since you can change to black iron or copper ( legal in Wisc. ) if the noise ever becomes a problem. To simulate the noise take a regular 5 foot range connector and flow air or gas through it. The smallest change in bend changes the sound. Kind of like Dan's demo in his steam class.
  • heretic
    heretic Member Posts: 159
    Curves?

    What, no curves?

    "Art ain't just some guy's name, ya know..."
  • Mark J Strawcutter
    Mark J Strawcutter Member Posts: 625
    probably asked before

    I think this was asked a while back concerning one of your other Vitodens installs, but I don't remember the answer.

    Does the low-loss header have to be oriented the way it is or could you have rotated it 180deg and eliminated the "pipe behind and around"?

    Did you at least let him sign his work?

    Mark
  • heatboy
    heatboy Member Posts: 1,468
    Normally, Yes.

    Jason wanted to try it this way on this panel. Who am I to argue with creativity! We normally would just flip them over when the boiler is on the right side of the panel. Thanks for noticing!

    hb

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