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Jim_47
Jim_47 Member Posts: 244
Although the fan in a can is a neat device, it does not solve the problems of a boiler located near a laundry appliance. I almost always prefer the boot style of combustion air equipment in these heavy laundry lint locations.
On the topic of laundry lint, I had a customer actually replace the cloths dryer instead of allowing us to install an outdoor air intake. 2 months later and we were back for a sooted up boiler. Found air intake to the boiler clogged with lint and a nice blanket of lint/dust on top of the boiler and electric HW heater. They still refused the outdoor air intake and blamed the boiler. If you noticed above I noted I HAD a customer. I wrote them a note stating I would no longer provide them with service, I also copied the building inspector and fire chief. You can lead a horse to water.......... but you do not have to put your liability insurance on the line for people that just don't get it.

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  • clammy
    clammy Member Posts: 3,114
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    combustion air for oil burners

    any ideas for combustion air for oil burner instead of the inlet boot it always seem to be in tight spaces and makes it harder to service gun any help or further product info would br helpfull how come they always put the dryer in the same room as the boiler they know lint kills the burner and makes it sootup faster thanks
    R.A. Calmbacher L.L.C. HVAC
    NJ Master HVAC Lic.
    Mahwah, NJ
    Specializing in steam and hydronic heating
  • Alan R. Mercurio_3
    Alan R. Mercurio_3 Member Posts: 1,624
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    Fan in a can!

    Clammy, this is a great product from Field Controls that has worked very well for me in a number of different application. Check it out. Fan in a can

    Your friend in the industry,
    Alan R. Mercurio

    Oil Tech Talk

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  • clammy
    clammy Member Posts: 3,114
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    thanks

    thanks alan heard of the product but didn't know who the manafactor was lets see if the custermer goes for it or perferrs us to clean there sooted boiler every 6 month thanks again
    R.A. Calmbacher L.L.C. HVAC
    NJ Master HVAC Lic.
    Mahwah, NJ
    Specializing in steam and hydronic heating
  • Steve Ebels
    Steve Ebels Member Posts: 904
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    I can't

    I can't even begin to say how many times I see the heating appliance in the same room as the *$%^(*)$ dryer. This is practically THE WORST CASE SCENARIO!! People think all the lint goes outside or is caught in the lint filter or else the're just not aware of the safety, maintanence and fire hazard issues that this presents. I can't believe that it's even allowed. We sent a downpayment back a couple years ago because I found out the dryer was going in the same room as the heating system. Just flat out refused to do it. The HO told me this summer they've had nothing but trouble with the furnace since it was installed. The A/C drain plugs off twice a summer and floods the room. The air filter is constantly plugged. The blower rattles like an old Model T car. HMMMMmmmmm I wonder why?? DUH!! In fact double DUH!!! Here's your sign, or something like that.
  • clammy
    clammy Member Posts: 3,114
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    somethings never change

    it is so true with a hole in the combustion chamber and soot all over there laundry room they all refuse to believe me even my co worker and bosses just shurg there shoulders besides the dryer issues how about b vent for a oil boiler you've seen it all haha there is no telling anybody that there something wrong these houses where built with these chimmeys and town approved who cares or listen until there homes go up oh yeah our boiler won't get get sootedup because it's new they just don't listen or there just stupid i always though that you can make changes in your own little world but if every one else doesn't care and your it, it leaves you feeling a little disgused sometimes so you just repeat the truth as you know it and after all other opitions are done maybe someone will listen very doubtfully as long as it was there idea and they get theput on the ****
    R.A. Calmbacher L.L.C. HVAC
    NJ Master HVAC Lic.
    Mahwah, NJ
    Specializing in steam and hydronic heating
  • Firedragon_4
    Firedragon_4 Member Posts: 1,436
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    Please keep in mind that

    dryer lint has also now been tested and proven to be an inflammable and potential explosive. Not only did the tv program Dateline do a major piece on this, but it's also being investigated by the CPSC.

    I would not work on a burner (gas or oil) if there was an unvented dryer in the same smoke/fire enclosure. I would notify the owner, in writing, to fix it or get someone else to be his 'beast of legal urden', FACT!
  • Jack_23
    Jack_23 Member Posts: 153
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    An improvement, but...

    You reduce the problem somewhat with the boot but you still have the barometric to pull in the junk.
  • Glen
    Glen Member Posts: 855
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    This is a problem north of the 49th too. Regardless of fuel burned - an appliance and a dryer in the same room is dangerous - and I believe it is being addressed in the new federal building code. (can't install together) The lint issue aside - the dryer competes for the same fresh air as the burner - & the burner is blamed 99% of the time. If I see this I recommennd twice the normal fresh air if units can't be separated - or better yet - move the dryer and vent it correctly.
  • kk_2
    kk_2 Member Posts: 57
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    Which one of these are you guys saying:

    A. A dryer that is not properly vented to the outside should not be located in the same space as an oil burner.

    or...

    B. A dryer, even if it is properly vented to the outside, should not be located in the same space as an oil burner.

    Please clarify.

    Thanks!

    -kk
  • Firedragon_4
    Firedragon_4 Member Posts: 1,436
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    The answer is b,

    but the key words in liability litigation, are seperate smoke enclosure. Essentially, that means that if the dryer and oilburner are in the same room look out in the new Building Codes on the way. As long as they are using seperate air supplies, go for it.

    Unfortunately for HVAC people the burden is going to land on us, on all fuels. Seperate air for combustion, (inlet draft) will have to be provided for using either direct connection (boots) or powered air intakes like the Tjernlund Enforcer or a fan-in-the-can.
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