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steve's house
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Steve is about to buy this house . the traps say mouat Cleavland Oh. The Mfg is Crane(Crane 20), Boiler No. 20-9, Series X-A
Steam; 660 hand Fired, 620 Stoker fired, 620 Oil Fired
Burns 2 Ccf of gas in 45 seconds
Does anyone what system this is? Pics attached.
Would it be better to replace boiler?
Steam; 660 hand Fired, 620 Stoker fired, 620 Oil Fired
Burns 2 Ccf of gas in 45 seconds
Does anyone what system this is? Pics attached.
Would it be better to replace boiler?
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steamhead please help :-)
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It's a Mouat Vapor system
which is covered on page 256 of "The Lost Art of Steam Heating".
The devices on the radiator returns aren't "traps" in the usual sense. They're water-seal units, with small holes drilled thru them to vent air- similar to Broomell, Vapor Regulator, Vapor Engineering and others. Air passes into the dry (overhead) return and out either thru that 3-tubed air vent in Picture 004, or into the chimney where the draft helped pull the air from the system.
This system should be controlled by a Vaporstat rather than a Pressuretrol. It only needed 5-8 ounces to operate.
Where are you located? If you'r in or near Baltimore, e-mail me! If not, try the Find a Contractor page of this site to locate someone who can make that system work extremely well.
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Consulting0 -
thanks steamhead
> which is covered on page 256 of "The Lost Art of
> Steam Heating".
>
> The devices on the radiator
> returns aren't "traps" in the usual sense.
> They're water-seal units, with small holes
> drilled thru them to vent air- similar to
> Broomell, Vapor Regulator, Vapor Engineering and
> others. Air passes into the dry (overhead) return
> and out either thru that 3-tubed air vent in
> Picture 004, or into the chimney where the draft
> helped pull the air from the system.
>
> This
> system should be controlled by a Vaporstat rather
> than a Pressuretrol. It only needed 5-8 ounces to
> operate.
>
> Where are you located? If you'r in
> or near Baltimore, e-mail me! If not, try the
> Find a Contractor page of this site to locate
> someone who can make that system work extremely
> well.
>
> _A
> HREF="http://www.heatinghelp.com/getListed.cfm?id=
> 157&Step=30"_To Learn More About This Contractor,
> Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A
> Contractor"_/A_
> which is covered on page 256 of "The Lost Art of
> Steam Heating".
>
> The devices on the radiator
> returns aren't "traps" in the usual sense.
> They're water-seal units, with small holes
> drilled thru them to vent air- similar to
> Broomell, Vapor Regulator, Vapor Engineering and
> others. Air passes into the dry (overhead) return
> and out either thru that 3-tubed air vent in
> Picture 004, or into the chimney where the draft
> helped pull the air from the system.
>
> This
> system should be controlled by a Vaporstat rather
> than a Pressuretrol. It only needed 5-8 ounces to
> operate.
>
> Where are you located? If you'r in
> or near Baltimore, e-mail me! If not, try the
> Find a Contractor page of this site to locate
> someone who can make that system work extremely
> well.
>
> _A
> HREF="http://www.heatinghelp.com/getListed.cfm?id=
> 157&Step=30"_To Learn More About This Contractor,
> Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A
> Contractor"_/A_
> which is covered on page 256 of "The Lost Art of
> Steam Heating".
>
> The devices on the radiator
> returns aren't "traps" in the usual sense.
> They're water-seal units, with small holes
> drilled thru them to vent air- similar to
> Broomell, Vapor Regulator, Vapor Engineering and
> others. Air passes into the dry (overhead) return
> and out either thru that 3-tubed air vent in
> Picture 004, or into the chimney where the draft
> helped pull the air from the system.
>
> This
> system should be controlled by a Vaporstat rather
> than a Pressuretrol. It only needed 5-8 ounces to
> operate.
>
> Where are you located? If you'r in
> or near Baltimore, e-mail me! If not, try the
> Find a Contractor page of this site to locate
> someone who can make that system work extremely
> well.
>
> _A
> HREF="http://www.heatinghelp.com/getListed.cfm?id=
> 157&Step=30"_To Learn More About This Contractor,
> Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A
> Contractor"_/A_
> which is covered on page 256 of "The Lost Art of
> Steam Heating".
>
> The devices on the radiator
> returns aren't "traps" in the usual sense.
> They're water-seal units, with small holes
> drilled thru them to vent air- similar to
> Broomell, Vapor Regulator, Vapor Engineering and
> others. Air passes into the dry (overhead) return
> and out either thru that 3-tubed air vent in
> Picture 004, or into the chimney where the draft
> helped pull the air from the system.
>
> This
> system should be controlled by a Vaporstat rather
> than a Pressuretrol. It only needed 5-8 ounces to
> operate.
>
> Where are you located? If you'r in
> or near Baltimore, e-mail me! If not, try the
> Find a Contractor page of this site to locate
> someone who can make that system work extremely
> well.
>
> _A
> HREF="http://www.heatinghelp.com/getListed.cfm?id=
> 157&Step=30"_To Learn More About This Contractor,
> Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A
> Contractor"_/A_
I am a contractor however in this town you can't feed a bird on the number of jobs you get for hot water let alone steam . That said I have to do hvac mostly .Steve is a customer and is looking to buy this house. We went over to look at it today the upstairs radiators dont heat all the way down , I think the return ells might need cleaned out ? It seams to have a vaporstat control see PIC no pig tail and the guage it is in Lbs no vac side it looks NEW as does the low water cutoff .Also there is no Hartford loop, the check valve is leaking, driping slighty .I was there about
2 hrs and the return never got warm . there was a 4x 10 floor reg. cut in the floor above the boiler I think to get heat to the living room . Would it be better to have a gorden vent ? thanks for your help PS I dont care if Steve has heat BUT His Wife is Nice
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Tell Steve
to buy the house. There's nothing wrong with that Mouat Vapor system that can't be easily fixed. He will probably want to replace the boiler though, that Crane probably isn't more than 55% efficient with that type of conversion gas burner.
Gorton #2 vents work great on Vapor. But in order to make a good suggestion I'd need to know what's on the steam mains and dry returns now, as well as the length and diameter of the steam mains.
What town are you located in that has so little hydronic and steam?
To Learn More About This Contractor, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A Contractor"All Steamed Up, Inc.
Towson, MD, USA
Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
Oil & Gas Burner Service
Consulting0 -
cow town Ohio
Or Columbus Ohio had to run the cows off the runway so the planes could land . Steve is reading this site He hasn't been to a site move as fast as this one . thanks DAN all get the info for the vents when he closes. What do you think about cleaning the ells ? how long should it take for the condensate to run back ? thanks
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I live in
Columbus, Ohio. thank you for your help steamhead. I will work with Dave to get the info you need. How long can I go before I need to replace the boiler...what are the tell tale signs that a complete novice can look for. Once it does go bad, how much does the Gorton #2 cost..and can I buy it on ebay:-) or a specialty auction site thanks, steve0 -
steve
We dont buy everything over the net. If no one sells them in town . they will sell us direct . you dont have to know how much they cost you got lots of cash $$$ where is my card ?
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