Steam Problems

tombig

> Mad Dog,<BR>
> <BR>
> When you say black pipes, you really <BR>
> mean it!! <BR>
<BR>

chuck shaw

I got a call

from a homeowner, who had a "Free" Keyspan gas steam boiler installed. He cant get the original installer to come back and address his problems. Waterhamer, uneven heat, and a flooding boiler. Any guesses as to what might be the problems. I'm going to work up a price to do the near boiler piping over, and replace the two main vents. The return in one of the photos is against the wall, the two join together, and go back to the boiler.

Chuck Shaw


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DanHolohan

But

he got a good price!

chuck shaw

and that is

what really counts, isnt it?

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J.C.A._3

I bet....

He got the best price possible. Too bad the installer hasn't got a clue !

Again, in the immortal words of Click and Clack , the tappet brothers.....It's the stingy man who spends the most !

So, does he feel so much it was free now ? Chris

chuck shaw

to be fair,

the homeowner is a pretty good guy. And he is willing to spend the money to make it right. It isnt so much about the money, as the boiler and the initial install

Chuck

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Mad Dog

That is the pefect, textbook

bad job, chuck. Rip it all out and start from scratch. We would get from 1500 -1800 to redo it.....ironically the same difference in price that we usually are from the "rest of The pack" out there. Take out the manufacturers book - hopefully still there and do it over . Hartford loop is atrociuos and definitely a big part of problem. Funny and sad at the same time. Yes it is true sometimes the butchers are the highest price - thats real nerve huh? The ho really should get $$$$$ back from this guy. Copper out....black steel in. The pics I posted are just a good solid piping job - nothing fancy. Mad Dog

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Unknown

Yep , thats a homeowner's big problem

How to weed out the contractors who dont have a clue , from the ones that try to do things right . I think the best way to sell them on skills is like what Mad Dog has - and album full of past jobs . A picture is worth a thousand contracts signed , if the work is clean .

By the way , I know of the Hartford Loop and the Gifford Loop , but what do you call it when the loop is actually higher than the boiler ?

Lew

black pipes

Mad Dog,

When you say black pipes, you really mean it!!

tombig

Black pipe

> Mad Dog,

>

> When you say black pipes, you really

> mean it!!



Apparently the pipes weren't black enough for Mad Dog!

tombig

Black pipe

Apparently the pipes weren't black enough for Mad Dog!

Before I looked at the horrendous piping in the initial post pic I looked for cave drawings on that foundation wall and half expected to see some. I envy you guys on the east coast. You guys get to see the deadest of the dead men. When I walked (ducked) into a basement in a house in East Riverside (suburb of Chicago) I knew this was the oldest I've seen. I think it was 1840's. 14 ft. cieling on the first floor and five chimneys.


I'm sure Chuck will find some steel pipe downstream (and up)of that copper and repipe accordingly.

I just installed a basement baseboard loop in a basement chapel of seminarian residence. Turn of the century mansion near the U of Chicago with original gravity piping. Awesome 6" express riser to attic and downfeed one pipe hot water. We scribed and fastened 20ga. to BurnhamCIBB to follow the rough limestone foundation wall. It's nice to do some 'artwork' outside the boiler room.

Btw... the painted pipe overhead replaced a feeble monoflow tee attempt to warm the basement room.