I=B=R Schools begin again - Dan H.

Jim Erhardt · June 2003

As the person in charge of the Slant/Fin training program and seminars, it was my (inadvertant) error in scheduling our course the same day as the I=B=R school - my sincere apologies. For anyone who was planning on attending both, I would suggest that you attend the currently scheduled I=B=R School and then we will schedule an additonal class here in Greenvale. You can contact me directly at jerhardt@slantfin.com for additional information on the second class.

Again, my apologies for any confusion this may have caused.

DanHolohan · May 2003

Residential Hydronic Heating . . . Installation and Design

You get the course and the 400-page text, "Residential Hydronic Heating . . . Installation and Design" (a very good book with lots of illustrations by Jim Goins)

Dates and Locations:

June 3 & 4, Bensalem, PA

June 5 & 6, Lancaster, PA

June 17 & 18, Rockville Centre, NY

June 19 & 20, White Plains, NY

The course covers:

What hydronics is and why use it?

Heat loss calculations

Boler location, sizing, piping, wiring

Basic controls

Special controls for energy savings and comfort

Heat emitters - baseboard, radiant tube, convectors and cast iron radiation

Selection and sizing of circulators

Zoning

Installation tips

Component wiring - transformers, zone valves, aquastats, transformers, relays, reset controls, zone controls

Electrical schematics

Limits, pressure control and temperature controls

Customer relations

Your investment in this two-day course is $395

To register, call Jeannie Birch @ 847-759-4046 or email her at jbirch@rses.org.

DanHolohan · May 2003

So, what do you folks

think about this?

Mike Norgan_3 · May 2003

Dan

Will you be coming to michigan anytime soon.

Mike Norgan

DanHolohan · May 2003

No plans, Mike,

and I'm not doing these classes. I posted them as a courtesy to the Hydronics Institute.

John@Reliable_2 · May 2003

IBR School, One of the best

I ever went to. Was about 10 years ago, and found it to be helpful and useful still to this day. I can still do a heat lost by pencil (if I had to). Even paid for it myself, if it was to come closer to home I would go again and bring the helper. John@Reliable P.S. the price is still reasonable too.

JohnNY1 · May 2003

Is it me....

or are these classes ALWAYS given in the wrong season?

By the way, is there a course title? Do they still give you that course-completion certificate?
Looks great in a frame!

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DanHolohan · May 2003

Course title:

Residential Hydronic Heating . . . Installation and Design

Not sure about the certificate, but I'll bet they do.

What's the right season for seminars?

JohnNY1 · May 2003

The time of the season for learning.

How about Fall? It's hard enough getting my new guys to remember where they left the tools every day.
Remember boiler wiring troubleshooting steps from 4 months earlier? Let's see how it goes.

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hot_rod · May 2003

can't have too much education

when it comes to hydronics

If the class material has been updated, it should be a winner.

Like any seminar, the person presenting the material is as important as the material itself. Make it fun and lively. If the class is nodding off due to a slow pace.... We all know where that ends up!

Glad to see them back. I took the class in 1988 in Salt Lake. Dave Springer, of the Davis Energy Group "fame" and currently on the RPA board, presented the class and did a fine job.

hot rod

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Warmfoot · May 2003

How about

Some West Coast dates?? I would send a couple people to it.

Ernie Bogue

Master Hydronics LLC

bill clinton_3 · May 2003

IBr school

I took that class somewhere around '75. The guy presenting it was definitely not lively, but the material was good. The trick was, it was hands on: You didn't just listen to somebody tell you how to do something, you actually did it yourself. You calculated R-values and converted them to U-values. You had building plans in the course books and you calculated heat losses for them. You then sized the boiler, pump, and piping. By the time you left that two day course, you could design a simple system all on your own and you could do it as one-pipe or two pipe, direct return or reverse return. There was real meat there and to me that's more important than being entertained and amused.

The old IBR heat loss calculation method was very simplified and tended to give results higher than an accurate method would. That didn't matter to me as I was and am persuaded that the goal of a heat loss calculation is not pinpoint accuracy: The real goal is to get enough heat and to distribute it so that each area gets its proportionate share.

That IBR method was so simple, they crammed it all on one of those cardboard slide-rule gadgets. Beats the crap out of a computer. I used mine 'til it was limp as a dish rag. Mentioned I needed a new one to Jim (dang! whats his last name? Used to work for Burnham). Jim dug around in his storage and came up with a brand new old one that had been distributed by American Standard. I still use it. Don't need no stinkin' computers.

Wish they would do a class on the West Coast. I'd send my guys. Just may send them East.

Bill

lisfjoe · May 2003

IBR schools the real deal

In answer to some of your questions, here's a little info aboout the upcoming schools:

Yes, they will be giving out certificates.

It will be very interesting, but maybe not a lot of fun.

The master himself is teaching the course, he's Jim Roche. Catch him before he retires again. He is doing us a big favor helping us getting the schools started again. We have two more instructors that will alternate with Jim teaching other classes.

There will be hands on stuff to do and you'll learn lots of neat things.

Anymore questions email ne at jcoppola@slantfin.com

Joe Coppola
Chairman, Education Committee, Hydronics Institute Division of GAMA

JohnNY1 · June 2003

I wonder why J Coppola, of Slant/Fin, the Chairman of the Education Committee of the Hydronics Institiute, scheduled conflicting course dates with the same two companies, i.e. June 17.

I had to cancel my attendance for 4 at S/F and send them to IBR instead. (June 17-18)

keith · June 2003

Builds a good Foundation

I took the IBR class in the 1991. It really helped me to pull the pieces together. The information that you pull out of the class is well worth the time and money. Highly recomend the class to any one who wants to know how to arrive at conclusions on their own.

Dale · June 2003

Jim Roche

One of the best presenters I ever attended, almost as good as Dan, and, a very helpful person after the class. always returned my calls. I hope he never retires. I enjoyed the IBR controls class I took years ago, finally understood a triple aquastat.

DanHolohan · June 2003

Jim

has forgotten more than I know.

lisfjoe · June 2003

That certainly wasn't my desire, however it was just a classic case of the right hand not knowing what the left was doing.

Slant/Fin classes were set up by someone other than me.

DanHolohan · June 2003

Joe and Jim.

You never have to apologize for providing TOO MUCH education.

Thanks for all that you do for ALL of us.

October Home · June 2003

Dan, I signed up

for Garden City. Thanks for the posting.

Arlene

I=B=R Schools begin again - Dan H.

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