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MONITOR MZ BOILER

Matt Connolly
Matt Connolly Member Posts: 67
First to Kevin Flynn - The Euro MZ is like the Vito with the voltage issue. It does not have the matrix hx, I never said it does. It does have the same variable speed pump and similar controls. When it gets here, you will see.

Second- the Heatwise burner was developed by Dr. Bola Kamath. It is the burner used on Monitor's 95% efficient condensing oil unit, the FCX. It was at Naoshsm in CT, and will be there again. I have installed many of these and they truly are the future, not only from an efficiency point of view, but they vent into plastic right out of the unit.
Matt

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  • ed
    ed Member Posts: 4
    MONITOR MZ BOILER

    hi all, has anyone out there installed the monitor boiler? the rep was in to see me the other day and said that they are a great product both gas and oil. they are claiming 95% eff. and wall hung to boot. feed back would be great, however i do not think i will sell one soon as i just found out that they are from france! thanks in advance

    ed
  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 21,844
    Very pleased

    with mine. This heats my shop (1200 sq. ft) and a second zone for the office (700 sq. ft.) Both are slab on grade applications with 100 degree supply.

    Very quiet, and nice looking jacketing.

    I did pipe a buffer tank in series, as my loads were a bit small for the output of the boiler. This made a huge difference in the cycling.

    The DHW flash tank was a plesent surprise. It supplies HW for the office sink and easily keeps up with a hose for washing the truck and equipment.

    I'd like to see a modulating burner version for multi small load applications. As long as it didn't effect the reliability :)

    Not too much to ask, I hope :) Can't help you with questions regarding the oil versions. Mine is LP fired.

    hot rod
    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
  • Happy

    with the product. Starting in 1999, we installed 6 of them. Beautiful pieces of equipment with extremely few callbacks.

    Pete Caruso, the rep. is always available and very responsive.

    Like hr, I too wish they would have a modulating burner.

    Don't let their attitude to our war disuade you from buying a French made product. We might choose the same path if things were reversed (WWII aside).

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  • Jack_5
    Jack_5 Member Posts: 7
    Mostly British workers

    The factory in France employs mostly British workers. It's close to the Channel so I guess that's the reason why so many Brits work there.

    Nothing is ever black or white, is it?

    The website is www.mzboiler.com, if you are interested in learning more about the products.
  • unknown soldier
    unknown soldier Member Posts: 1
    France

    yea,but.....
  • Matt Connolly
    Matt Connolly Member Posts: 67
    Factory is in France, but owned by Bosch..

    Not that the Germans are a whole lot better right now! Anyway, to clear things up, the gas unit is wall mounted, the oil is not. I just sent a video of a radiant job I did with the oil unit. Maybe he'll do an internet showing or something. From what I'm told, the fully modualting unit will be coming here (it exists in Europe exactly like the Vitodens, but Monitor does not want to have 115 - 230v transformer in it lie the Vito and the Korean Quietside. They would rather have US voltage controls). Interesting is the fact that the fully modulating version is only 1% more efficient than the non mod US version.
  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 21,844
    Sounds like Bosch

    may end up owning Buderus real soon, also! Wonder what all the new manhole covers in Germany will say? Robert Bosch Industries :)

    hot rod
    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
  • KevMcG
    KevMcG Member Posts: 30
    SEVERE EARTHQUAKE IN FRANCE

    SEVERE EARTHQUAKE IN FRANCE

    March 11, 2003. Today it was reported that a severe earthquakes have occurred in 10 different locations in France. The severity was measured in excess of 10 on the Richter Scale.

    The cause was the 56,681 dead American soldiers buried in French soil rolling over in their graves. According to the American Battle Monuments Commission there are 26,255 Yankee dead from World War I buried in 4 cemeteries in France. There are 30,426 American dead from World War II buried in 6 cemeteries in France.

    These 56,681 brave American heroes died in their youth to liberate a country which is guilty of shameful unspeakable behavior in the 21st century.

    May the United States of America never forget their sacrifice as we find ways to forcefully deal with the Godforsaken unappreciative, forgetful country of France!

    We should also note that we pay Millions of dollars on RENT for these cemeteries plus the cost of Maintenance, let us remove them (our military dead), bury them in the hallowed grounds of Arlington National Cemetary, and give the French damned land back to them.

    PASS THIS AROUND!
    Maybe it will get to someone in France!!!
    =================================================
    War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight; nothing he cares about more than his own personal safety; is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself".
    - Author Unknown -
    ===============================
  • Mark Hunt
    Mark Hunt Member Posts: 4,909
    And tonight

    the liberators will do it again.

    God bless our troops, God bless our President, God protect the innocent. Amen!

    Mark H

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  • kf_2
    kf_2 Member Posts: 118
    Matt

    you say exactly like the Vitodens, you mean with a Matrix type radiant burner with no visual flame and only 9-ppm of NOx and 6-ppm of CO.

    Exactly like that. Hmmm!


    kf
  • Doug_5
    Doug_5 Member Posts: 19


    Try to be patient with the French. They are culture rich and world power poor. But when they were, they sided with us when they were strong enough to make a difference. Rochambeau, Lafayette, etc. In the meantime, buying the MZ is patriotic in that its efficiency reduces a homeowners overall energy use. Besides, there's the American sales, tech, and service force to consider. Hopefully, the French will come around, either just before or after the Germans. After all, they want to stay at least as important an ally as Portugal and Nicaragua.....
  • Dave Palmer
    Dave Palmer Member Posts: 186
    has

    a HEATWISE burner,really nice burner.Smart,smart man that invented it(wish I could remember his name).At NAOHSM show in Conn. this pass year he had a oilburner running on a 12 volt car battery. Image what the future will bring. Dave
  • That would

    be Bola Klamath.
  • Doug_5
    Doug_5 Member Posts: 19


    Matt is right about the FCX. When it comes to oil, there are few products that can come close to what the Monitor FCX offers. Clean, quiet, efficient. A great product in a small package. Do not install a new oil boiler of any kind without considering it.
  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 21,844
    Stainless or aluminum?

    Matt

    Is the MZ heat exchanger aluminum?
    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
  • Matt Connolly
    Matt Connolly Member Posts: 67
    Condensing HX is stainless,

    primary non condensing is rolled steel. The unit's burner fires into a steel hx that you can set between 150 and 180F.

    You can recover dhw or run a high temp application off it. The secondary HX is ss and has an internal mixing valve that can give the same temp as the primary or mix it down to about 100F less. This would be for radiant or whatever. The mixing valve is an ESBE by Danfoss so you can use a motorized control for outdoor reset. I just sent a video of a job I did with the FCX and Stadler pex in the slab with Heatway staple up. To see the piping internal schematic, go to www.mzboiler.com and click on product line. I have a general installation video if you are interested. Contact Sandy Simpson at [email protected] She can also send you the technical guide with piping diagrams as well.

    Matt

    Matt
  • A. Patriot
    A. Patriot Member Posts: 1
    New French Boiler That Runs On WHINE...

    I heard the French are developing a new boiler with a new fuel source. Instead of burning Iraqi oil it uses Wine. It seems that there is an abundence of the stuff in France that no one seems to want for some reason.......

    say no to drugs..Errrr.....France!!
  • KevMcG
    KevMcG Member Posts: 30
    I agree w/ the TOW gunner

  • Biro
    Biro Member Posts: 8
    Do you read PM magazine?

    Do you remember Dan's article in PM a while back about putting crass bumper stickers on the company truck? And the image that it presents to the public? Well, this forum is kind of like our truck. I suggest a re-reading of Dan's article in the Aug 2002 PM, "The BBC". As Dan said in the article, "Real life, unfortunately, makes more of an impression than a clever ad campaign." Sure there are a lot of regulars here, having fun, blowing off steam, but really, would you put a F*CK FRANCE GERMANY bumper sticker on your company truck? It just looks bad. We can debate the merits of this war and support our troops at the same time. Disagree if you want, but in my opinion ridiculing those we disagree with has no place on "The wall". It's your truck.

    Biro
  • Dave Palmer
    Dave Palmer Member Posts: 186
    Matt

    any trainings in New England on the FCX? Rhode Island would be nice :}
  • Matt Connolly
    Matt Connolly Member Posts: 67
    I don't know how I missed this...

    But the hx is stainless. It was aluminum originally but the maintenance was a problem - aluminum oxide acts as an insulator and quickly reduces heat transfer. SS is indestructible and stiil a damn good transfer medium.
    Matt
  • Matt Connolly
    Matt Connolly Member Posts: 67
    I'll post the next training date..

    on the Wall. Meantime, if you want a traing CD contact Sandy Simpmson - [email protected] and she'll send one out to you.
    Matt
  • Indestructible...

    That a pretty strong word there... Corrosion resistant maybe, but indestructible???

    Time will tell.

    There are MANY different grades and types and sub types of stainless steel on the market. Which one does your boiler use?

    ME
  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 21,844
    Stainless is far from indestuctable

    I have replaced dozens of SS indirect tanks that prove it!


    304 Stainles per ton


    1400 lb iron

    360 lb chromium

    160 lb nickel

    40 lb manganese

    20 lbs silicone

    16 lb carbon

    2 lb phosphorous

    2 lb sulpher

    Depends on the quality of ingredients, exact mix ratio, temperature it was mixed at, weld and forming techniques, etc, etc , etc.

    There are dozen's of SS alloys, each blended for a very specfic purpose. Crown Mega-Stor SS indirects with a 304 coil and a 403 Ti SS tank, require the water falls within 6-8 ph and chloride ppm 0-80. I suspect there is a good reason this label now appears on their tanks :) They also note many solder fluxes can cause severe corossion to stainless, if not properly flushed.


    By products of condensing combustion can be very aggressive, and the quality and makeup of gas, lp or oil can vary from place to place. Not to mention the water quality inside the vessel, which can vary greatly from area to area.


    I agree with ME, time will tell if SS can handle all the things contractors and homeowners will throw at 'er.

    hot rod

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  • Mark Hunt
    Mark Hunt Member Posts: 4,909
    I guess

    that I would not put a bumper sticker on my truck that was quite that blunt, but if I have to choose between forsaking my country to make a dollar or forsaking the dollar for my country I choose the latter.

    Disagreeing is one thing, but scheming and plotting is another.

    Thanks for your input Biro.

    Mark H

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  • heatboy
    heatboy Member Posts: 1,468
    I'm with you.

    I have seen what sulfur based condensate does to stainless steel. Not pretty. The fuel oil we use here is very different from the stuff they use 'cross the pond. Viessmann has a wall mounted, blue flame oil fired, two stage condensing boiler for sale in Europe.
    I'm not sure (doubtful) we will ever see it here. If they did, I could narrow my offerings to just two boilers. The Vitodens and the Vitoplus.

    Vitoplus 300

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    heatboy



    The Radiant Whisperer





    "The laws of physics will outweigh the laws of ecomomics every time."
  • If Matt and I can connect

    I will try to get him to Rhode Island for a training day like we are doing on Weil McLain Ultra, Burnham Revolution, HTP Munchkin and Laars Endurance in Mya. Maybe if he is free we will do June sometime.
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