A little(?) snow! (PAH)

hot_rod

and will get dicey if much rain falls this Friday & Saturday. Roofs have already collapsed & precip will increase the likelyhood of more issues related to weight.

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RE: It's been interesting!

I spent 8 hours driving in the storm on Monday to get from Rhode Island to Newburgh, NY for a couple of seminars with the good folks here at Central Hudson Gas today and in other NYS locations throughout the week. It was an interesting ride to say the least! When I left their facilities this afternoon, they had the snow blowers going up on the flat roof.....apparently in preparation of a wet and miserable weekend. I think we should all package up some of the white stuff we have such an abundance of and send it on out to Mark E. in Denver. They need it! Whaddya think?

Glenn Stanton

Burnham Corp.

Eric Taylor_10

Nice Floor!

Noticed the hardwood flooring installed 45* to the walls. That is really nice. I assume of course that they are radiant?

Watch out for those SUV test pilots!

Eric

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Passed a couple

of those SUV Test Pilots sitting upside down on Interstate 95 in CT yesterday afternoon. I guess they found out how invincable they really are!

Glenn

Dave Yates (PAH)

That's in the hydronic home from hell

That's the 300K boiler with a 180K load home with boiler dancing between 210/195 - 24/7/365 & nothing but a bunch of hydro-air units plus a wee bit of baseboard in the greenhouse.

That particular floor is on its way to becoming a plated injection radiant scenario with a tweak from a Runtal panel along the front of a window seat on the right.

The three gas water heaters are all more than 10 years old and we'll be installing stubs on our new manifold tree to accomodate indirects.

The boiler has a 4-way cutting down that delivery to a tightly patterened 165/160. A series 60 circ runs 24/7 pumping a 2" loop. All of the air handlers, modines and BB have zone valves with bypass lines. Designed by a ME no less. He must have had a brain fart that day!



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Obviously...

an ME with a substantial industrial back ground.

Did it have wye strainers on it? That's the true mark of an ME out of control in a residential installation.

Gotta love 'em. They keep us working.

ME (a NON mechanical engineer type of person...)

Dave Yates (PAH)

nope

Nada, zip, zilch! But the circ is trying to move 84 GPM while the maximum system flow if everything called at one time is less than 26 GPM. She's a cavitatin' and making some funky noises! 6.5 amp continuous draw in the 1-hp motor wired for 24/7. Shoot, you could power up a small home's annual usage from what this puppys been using.

Then there's the ridiculous notion that a 4-way Tekmar valve should be modulating 165/160 while the boiler rides along at 210/195. (With the diff set at 12, it never sees the lower 195 anyway!)

Whatever he was drinking/smoking, I'm ready for too(G).

He also set up all of the returns in exterior walls, so there's stud cavities with no insulation and the supply registers in the center walls. That's what gave it away regarding who designed the systems. I asked the HO's if he was the designer & they were surprised I knew who had done the design.

He once told me in a face to face meeting that I wouldn't understand air flow because he had the sheepskin & I was just a plumber. Said the returns belonged in the exterior walls because air molecules are like cattle and we need to herd them into those returns. I have witnesses to prove I'm not making that up! Funny, even with that sheepskin, he couldn't tell me what the by-pass factor was on the A/C coil or where we were supposed to find the missing 375 CFM's between what he'd listed for the supply/return registers. Seems his schooling allowed for five gallons to arrive from a pipe into which only three gallons was poured!

He also had speck'd a 40 gallon electric for the master suite and kitchen/laundry while a 120 gallon oil fired water heater resided in the basement. The master bath had twin high flow Kohler shower faucets in a marbled walk-in area, twin lavs & the kitchen had two sinks, two dishwashers and two ACWs were also thrown in for good meassure. A quick calculation revealed they would be taking very short showers. Even a dumb plumber could figure that one out in his head(G). He fought me tooth and nail over the idea of running a recirc line off of that beast in the basement. I am a stubborn cuss though & he stalked off of the job site once everyone agreed with my assesment. The location for that electric? Over a very long crawl space & under the steps - with access only from below - 60' crawl just to get there. Well water & agressive to boot - no treatment, so short element life expected. Why not include an access panel in the coat closet? Because he didn't want one.

He also had us run all of the BB lines (five zones) in that same home up the exterior walls!

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Tired from shovelling?

Small town life has it's perks...

TEMPLE, N.H. -- Anyone with a sore back after shoveling out from Monday's storm may want to consider moving to Temple.

Temple snow clean up crews don't just clear the streets, they take the extra time to plow out some 200 residential driveways, saving citizens hours of hard work.

Temple Selectman Robert Frazier said the town has been plowing out residents' driveways for more than a quarter of a century, and, although the practice is sometimes criticized as a waste of resources, he expects the service to continue.
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Eric Taylor_16

Wow!

I am an ME, and I too like to overbuild things, but that one sounds a bit off the deep end. 84 gpm on 300K boiler with 180K load is madness. Even before I learned what little I know about hydronics I could have told you that. Engineering covers a lot of ground. This particular ME could have been a specialist in gear design or medical devices or sumpthing. He should have known how to find the right information before starting this project. Mistakes are expected, but that one is gross!

Two more cents

Eric

Jackchips

Great idea Glenn,

will you pick up the shipping?

Hmmm, I wonder if ME would accept COD?