A REAL CO and SOOT problem!

Firedragon_4

You have probably been aware that we are in a major state of paranoia over being gassed by terrorists.

Home Depot and others are doing classes on how to seal up your house in plastic wrap and duct tape, good grief!
I can't just blame everyone in the home improvement business for this, the feds even have developed a web-site on how to make your home safe, yeah right!

After a conversation this morning with an ER doctor she asked me to spread the word on a much bigger problem facing us right now than a gas attack where the Federal and HD solution may not even be effective, CO and soot!

Look around guys and gals and if you are going into homes and businesses make notes and maybe even get pictures. The Feds in their infinite has forgotten just a little FACT as we work our way through the coldest winter in 4 years.

FUEL BURNERS REQUIRE COMBUSTION AIR!

Pay attention and be careful, the government way may be this spring's lawsuit.
See ya.

Steve Levine

Can't argue with you , but....

As I read it, they are NOT advising to seal up the entire house. Just one small room. I guess they should tell them not to use the boiler or furnace room.

My problem is that I don't beleive the gasses, dissipate that quickly. I'v eheard that you should stay in the safe room about an hour. I guess after that, if you have sealed it well, you may run out of oxygen. A retired hiugh ranking army general to several of us at dinner that as soon as he know a cloud was approaching his area, he would drive downwind as fast as possible. He feels that water is safest. Get out on your boat into the ocean if you can.

Additionally, the safe room wil have no effect on the radiological elements that a 'dirty' bomb disperse.

Steve

DanHolohan

I'm heading

directly to B.K. Sweeney's.

Unknown

combustion air

I saw the piece on the news this morning.

They stressed turning off the furnace, boiler, and ventilating systems FIRST.

Then they selected a room, sealed the openings and duct outlets to the room.

After the alarm period, they said to ventilate the building and turn everything back on, and LEAVE.

I thought they covered appliance safety quite well.

Not to say someone won't do it differently, I'm sure it can happen.

I'm taking the boat advice. I like the ocean....

Noel

DanHolohan

I'm reminding myself

of my father. Yikes!

During the Fifties when we were playing Duck and Cover at Burns Avenue elementary school and most of the folks in the neighborhood were building bomb shelters in their basements (as if), my father told my brother and I that, in the event of nuclear war, he wanted to be sitting in the front yard, in that lawn chair that he really liked, with a six-pack, facing West. Said he didn't want to miss the show. Or be around afterwards.

And then he'd laugh until tears came into his eyes and we all thought he was nuts.

Not too much can scare you after Okinawa and a few other tropical islands, I suspect.

I sure miss that man.

DanHolohan

I'm reminding myself

of my father. Yikes!

During the Fifties when we were playing Duck and Cover at Burns Avenue elementary school and most of the folks in the neighborhood were building bomb shelters in their basements (as if), my father told my brother and I that, in the event of nuclear war, he wanted to be sitting in the front yard, in that lawn chair that he really liked, with a six-pack, facing West. Said he didn't want to miss the show. Or be around afterwards.

And then he'd laugh until tears came into his eyes and we all thought he was nuts.

Not too much can scare you after Okinawa and a few other tropical islands, I suspect.

I sure miss that man.

DanHolohan

I'm reminding myself

of my father. Yikes!

During the Fifties when we were playing Duck and Cover at Burns Avenue elementary school and most of the folks in the neighborhood were building bomb shelters in their basements (as if), my father told my brother and I that, in the event of nuclear war, he wanted to be sitting in the front yard, on that lawn chair that he really liked, with a cold six-pack (or two), facing West. Said he didn't want to miss the show. Or be around afterwards.

And then he'd laugh until tears came into his eyes and we all thought he was nuts.

Not too much can scare you after Okinawa and a few other tropical islands, I suspect.

I sure miss that man.

Steve Levine

What direction is Sweeney's in...

Dan, if it is SE of you, since the prevailing wind this timeof year is from the NW you should be O.K.

Steve

DanHolohan

Always

okay at Sweeney's!

Jackchips

Thanks, Dan.

Common sense to heating and common sense to life.

Dave Yates (PAH)

What the heck was the actors name - Andy Devine???

That saddled up a missle and rode it right smack into the enemy saying "Take this you miserable $%#@%!".

I'll be at Sweenes too if I can't find that ride(G).

Yep, I remember hiding under my desk too. Those school desk wooden tops were probably outfitted with a center shield made out of lead and asbestos with toxic varnish(G). Following the drill, we'd walk across the asbestos VCT to dring from a lead-lined water cooler. Man, we were tough!

Friends held fallout shelter parties. While at one, their son brought a candy jar - on the run - fell causing the jar to shatter & put out his eye.

Speaking of tough. A neighboring town last night - natural gas main cracked - home filled up & exploded. Family received 1st & 2nd degree burns. Father is local fire Captain. Friend visiting is also local fireman & was not injured - he crawled out of the collapsed home & suited up to fight the fire! I was out on a no heat call to a retired from the gas co service mgr's home. He'd been with the gas co all of his career. The explosion sparked many a memory for him (he's now all but 80) & I listened without interrupting for a long time. A little girl was interviewed by the press & she remarked that when the neighbor's house exploded, she thought it was a terrorist attack. Everyone needs to take a chill-pill IMHO. Especially the damn press!

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Art Pittaway

Yes Dan,

This is much more serious than Y2K.!! My dad's church had a "survivalist" give a lecture in 1999. He bought a camp stove and food before I found out, gave him enough guff to get him to stop. This time I'm prepared, I have a case of Guinness stock piled next to a case of Berghoff Draft and my wifes Mikes Lemonade. Ahh, I like being prepared for a crisis. I have my duct tape to...thats to hold down my cup holder. I'm not saying the worst couldn't happen, but I'm a vet to and I'll be damned if I'm going to duct tape myself in a room.

Hmmm...Wetstock 2 in Chicago, "they" could wipe out a lot of hydronic knowledge in one shot. See ya in March.
Art

Art Pittaway

Slim Pickin's

Dr. Strangelove or How I learned to live with the Bomb.

John Starcher_4

amen, Dave.....

...."careful" is one thing.

paranoid is a totally different thing.

Don't get me wrong, I realize that a potential threat truly does exist, but if we all duct tape ourselves into little rooms, and don "blue and yellow zip to make green" plastic suits, then what the heck kind of way to live is that????

Sounds like "mental terrorism" to me.

Starch

Dave Yates (PAH)

Yo Duncan

You'd better gear up man, I see a foil hat franchise opportunity(G)

Just talked to my Mom who was worrying about all of this. Dad said she was thinking of getting the plastic and duct tape. I reminded them that the house was built in the late 1700's and that the two foot thick log walls (hidden behind 1960's remodeling) plus the lead based hand blown windows and lead besed paint will shield them from radiation. Mom said something about my being a smart %$# !

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Firedragon_4

They just announced that the

guy in Gitmo that they based the security change on was full of it. He flunked the polygraph test today. Would have been nice if they did that first?

Art Pittaway_2

Oh Good..!

I'd better go make sure my stockpile of remedy doesn't go bad with age! Cheers..!

Glenn Harrison

I'm just waiting...

to start seeing reports of people injured or killed for exactly this reason, CO poisoning sickness and or death due to sealing up homes. Also as Steve said, PEOPLE NEED FRESH AIR (OXYGEN) TOO. I'm hoping not to read a report of someone suffocating to death due to sleeping in an air tight room.

I hope someone is getting ahold of the guy in Connecticut I think that is trying to shrink wrap his whole house before he poisons or suffocates his entire family!

I was just thinking, this could become a selling point for hydronics. If you have scorched air, you have more openings (ductwork) that have to be sealed, but can't be sealed until the poison comes to get you, or you won't have heat in your "safe" room. But with Hydronics, no extra openings to seal. Just turn off the boiler and run.

But seriously, I think Chicago police superintendant Terry Hillard said it best today by saying - Just go about your normal lives, followed by saying - duct tape, snickering and walking away. Just do what you normally do, be observant, and don't let the terrorists win with the mind games.

Glenn Harrison

J.C.A.

Dan...The old man had it right !

To quote Bon Jovi...Goin down in a blaze of glory.....

My thoghts exactly, put in me in the front row. Who wants to hang out and see what happens next ? I think the President and his cronies have stock in the duct tape and plastic sheeting companies , cause the rest of us are suffering from our meager investments in the last few years !Just a thought ....Chris (crispy critter....I think not ...YET!!)

Darin Cook_2

Duct Tape,NERVE gas, and Building Air Standards

Consider this a good opportunity for learning. Do you know why the chemical agents can enter your home? If you do not? take a course in building sciences. It may tell you why some problem houses you deal with do not heat very well. It will help you to explain to your customers why all their heating dollars are going through all the nooks and crannies of the ceiling. Ideally all homes should be built as tight as possible, just vented properly. Can you say HRV? It's all about control, picking when and where the air comes from. Instead of dragging it through all the fiberglass, mold spores, and dust. If you are not selling sealed combustion product, you may be doing your customer a serious disfavor. But hey, if you are really worried just buy some duct tape.