Crown boilers

Josh M.

Seems I have read alot of you guys recommending crown boilers to homeowners and fresh hydronic heating contractors. I don't understand this. There isn't anything about a crown that gives it an edge on weil mclein or even a burnam. Last year alone I replaced two of them with thermal shock cracks from poor cast iron quality.
-Just a thought...

kevin

which.......

models did you replace? I have heard nothing butgood comments about their Freeport series. Was there poor boiler piping to them? Low return temps from a slab or the like? Poor piping will kill many cast iron boilers..... kpc

[Deleted User]

Cracks

are an unfortunate fact of life w/ boilers. Both cast and steel. Have replaced Weil, and Burnham, and others' sections, and boilers, because of cracks.

Thermal shock is something else. The boiler manufacturer is not responsible for that. Most of the time we are the ones to whom the finger should point.

hot_rod

I agree

with Ron and Kevin. Thermal shock can be avoided with proper piping and controls.
Castings crack ocassionally, just as concrete does

Mistakes happen, we all make them!

Most important, to me, is how the problems are handled by the manufacture. Crown, from my experience, excels at customer support and "righting the wrong"

It's all in the way you approch the manufacture, often times. Blaming installation, operation or maintenance problems on the manufacture isn't the best tact Most manufactures go out of their way to correct problems, regardless of the cause. I've found. Their livelihood hinges on this, in these competive times.

hot rod

ta finnegan

It's me.

I may be the one who is recommending the Crown's on the Wall.

I make my living figuring out what is wrong with problem systems. If I had my choice I would prefer to do a diagnosis instead of an autopsy....but. Most of the time it is how it is piped or sized. Application is key too.

What I have found, and what makes me recommend the Crown guys is that when the finger points to them, I feel that they go "above and beyond the call of duty".

I just like it when you REALLY feel like somebody is in your corner. If you do your job and pipe it correctly and size it correctly you do not have anything to fear.

My opinion is that these guys do give you the benefit of the doubt and really try to hold up their end of the bargain when it comes to problems.

I learned the business from my grandfather, an Irish immigrant, bare-knuckle fighter and steamfitter. He always said: "In this business, there are always going to be problem jobs, but what the customer will remember is how it was resolved."

The Crown guys to good work.

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Ray M_2

crown

The product is great.All companies products are as good as the installation.The near boiler piping is the most critical part of the job.All my jobs feature primary secondary piping practices.

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heatboy

I have been using them for years.......

and I have nothing but good to say about Crown Boiler Company. Lee E. is a good friend and is as staight up as any manufacturer can be. I am primarily a Viessmann guy and while Crown is more of a basic boiler line, I haven't had a single issue with their equipment and I feel good enough about it to install it it my mother's home.

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Josh M.

My opinion stands here is why!

Well I can attribute atleast one to thermal shock. However how many times have any of you actually seen thermal shock? I know that in the several hundred boilers I have replaced and installed I have only seen it this one time. Most of the time thermal shock can really occur is when chillers are a part of the system. realistically this really doesn't happen in a residential application. My opinion stands. I have replaced way more crown than any other boiler due to cracks and stress fractures.

Earthfire

Residential thermal shock

Thermal shock occurs all the time in residential apps,even if we don't realize it. A properly sized replacement boiler hooked up to the big rads of an old gravity system, or wall to wall baseboard or even a radiant slab, is going to get shocked when it fires up & comes up to temp. (160 to 200 deg.,where most aquastats are set) and the circulator dumps all that nice cold 67 deg. water in the back of it. Return temp.mixing , outdoor reset,& constant circulation will make any boiler a happy boiler. a happy boiler is a long lasting boiler.