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Bench Test Rig for TekMar 251

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Hi everyone,

Sharing a little project I set up to better understand the older TekMar 251boiler control.

I simulated the following using resistor values:

  • 32F outside temp (using 30K resistor)
  • 140F Supply Pipe (using 3.3K resistor)
  • Variable room temp simulation using a resistor substitution box.

This is teaching me how the device responds with different sensor settings.

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  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 11,580

    Fascinating

    Edward Young Retired

    After you make that expensive repair and you still have the same problem, What will you check next?

  • 109A_5
    109A_5 Member Posts: 3,468

    Since a real live operating system is more dynamic than fixed resistors, I probably would have used 10 turn potentiometers instead of fixed resistors. Depending on what you want to learn you could automate the process.

    One variable resistor example.

    US Stock 2 Sets 100K Ohm 3590S Potentiometer 10 Turn Counting Dial Rotary Knob

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/401564815576

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    National - U.S. Gas Boiler 45+ Years Old
    Steam 300 SQ. FT. - EDR 347
    One Pipe System
    AlwaysLearning2024
  • AlwaysLearning2024
    AlwaysLearning2024 Member Posts: 100

    Thank you @109A_5 ! Great idea!

  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 26,607

    tekmar has a simulator available, a bit pricey

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    I got a plastic project box, 10 turn POTS and little rebel resistors to make a simulator for the Resol controls. Under 100 bucks

    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
  • 109A_5
    109A_5 Member Posts: 3,468

    Yes if you know the sensor (thermistor) resistance range you want, you can refine the variable resistors used and use fixed resistors to more closely define the variable range.

    The numbers on the scales on the simulator seem odd.

    National - U.S. Gas Boiler 45+ Years Old
    Steam 300 SQ. FT. - EDR 347
    One Pipe System
  • 109A_5
    109A_5 Member Posts: 3,468
    National - U.S. Gas Boiler 45+ Years Old
    Steam 300 SQ. FT. - EDR 347
    One Pipe System
  • 109A_5
    109A_5 Member Posts: 3,468

    OK I think they are fixed values of resistances representing specific temperatures and not variable like a potentiometer. A thermistor would be variable. I guess whatever works best for whatever you are trying to achieve.

    National - U.S. Gas Boiler 45+ Years Old
    Steam 300 SQ. FT. - EDR 347
    One Pipe System
  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 15,634

    there usually is a chart for the thermistor values in the manual. you could use a pot and fixed resistor in series to simulate normal temps. looking at those temp values you might need a log taper pot.

  • 109A_5
    109A_5 Member Posts: 3,468

    I doubt a log taper or audio taper pot would match the curve of a thermistor, I would think using the "Counting Dial Rotary Knob" it would be easier to track the resistance of a 100K Pot, 10K per turn and the knob has 100 count indexing.

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    National - U.S. Gas Boiler 45+ Years Old
    Steam 300 SQ. FT. - EDR 347
    One Pipe System
  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 26,607

    The Resols use a 10k thermistor turning the pot simulated a changing temperature conditions to set, change and confirm operating conditions

    We used it for over the phone tech support calls to walk a customer through settings or a troubleshoot.

    My son worked for a tekmar rep and they used the simulators for classroom training sessions

    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream