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Combustion Analysis help on boiler

mx6er2587
mx6er2587 Member Posts: 12

I have an old 195k btu input American Standard boiler. Model GPM-7. Cast iron heat exchanger, cast iron burners. VR8304 gas valve adjusted to 3.5 in w.c.

I rented a testo 300 to perform a combustion analysis on it to see how it was performing and am a bit perplexed by the results.

O2, CO2, and CO all look ok to my eye, but the T-stack temperature looks high. 550-575F. I expected it to be 450-475F

Also CO seemed to improve a bit with the vestibule cover in place. Not sure what that indicates.

Is this temperature too high? Any place to start looking for issues? I had brushed out the heat exchanger earlier in the fall and it looks pretty clean.

Comments

  • HVACNUT
    HVACNUT Member Posts: 6,298

    Switch the mode to check draft.

    Burners are clean? Smooth crossover?

    If the readings are at steady state, it's about what I'd expect. CO isn't high. <50 ppm is ok.

    Long Beach Ed
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 16,388

    Your #s for that boiler look pretty good to me. In fact I used to have that same boiler but with less sections and lower BTUs. It probably dates to the late 60s-early 70s.

    I changed the boiler when I sold my house a few years back although it ran fine because the new owners wouldn't bite on a 40-50 year old boiler.

    Keep in mind that your basement ambient temperature is usually deducted from the actual stack temperature to get the "net stack temperature" so that would give you a net stack temp of 499 or so.

    I don't know if the TESTO 300 does this deduction automatically for you or not' You could take the actual stack temp with a thermometer to figure this out.

    Grallert
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 17,361

    I agree with @EBEBRATT-Ed - those are good numbers for a 1960s boiler. Fuel was cheap back then. There wasn't much incentive to make them efficient. Also, the sections in GPM boilers are stacked vertically, and I don't think they had baffles, so the GPM is pretty much "up and out". That helps account for the stack temp.

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    Grallert
  • mx6er2587
    mx6er2587 Member Posts: 12

    Burners are clean and the draft was .08 in wc. Readings were taken after running for about 20-30 minutes and were steady.

    @Steamhead is right the sections are stacked vertically and there are no baffles.

    If 575 F isn't concerning for the Stack temperature, I'll let it keep soldiering on. Thanks all.

    Alan (California Radiant) Forbes
  • HVACNUT
    HVACNUT Member Posts: 6,298

    -.08 is some pretty good draft. Like doubly good. Not much to do about it without replacing the flue.

  • pedmec
    pedmec Member Posts: 1,060

    You're a little high with your O2 but that is most likely related to the high draft which would account for a higher flue gas temperature. The excess O2 is "just passing by" and stealing some of the heat with it. Other than that very minor issue I would leave it as is because safety comes before efficiency and trying to tweek it might cause your CO to spike.

    Long Beach Ed
  • ch4man
    ch4man Member Posts: 297

    so the scale was cleaned on the fire side of the chambers, don't forget scale on the water side can also hinder heat transfer.