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Need public input for WH standard

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hot_rod
hot_rod Member Posts: 22,403
in Domestic Hot Water
https://www.regulations.gov/document/EERE-2017-BT-STD-0019-0063
Bob "hot rod" Rohr
trainer for Caleffi NA
Living the hydronic dream

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  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 16,950
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    @hot_rod , bottom line: what equipment will not be available if this goes into effect?
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  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 22,403
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    sounds like gas fired will need to be made more efficient to remain an option?
    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
  • Solid_Fuel_Man
    Solid_Fuel_Man Member Posts: 2,646
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    Wow, that is a lot of charts. 
    Serving Northern Maine HVAC & Controls. I burn wood, it smells good!
  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 9,853
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    Vent damper operated off a thermopile.
  • JUGHNE
    JUGHNE Member Posts: 11,096
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    As they attempt to save us by regulation, they will certainly overlook a simple factor.

    That is, higher efficiency WH's will require 120 volts applied.

    It was always an advantage, that during a power failure you would still at least have hot water.

    For a prolonged power outage, just filling the tub with hot water would pretty well heat that room.
  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 9,853
    edited September 2023
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    Or you allow the vent damper to be manually opened to operate during a power outage but close when power returns. I didn't get a sense of what they were requiring, if just reducing standby loss with more insulation would get you there.
  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 8,157
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    ...and this is what is good for us wether we like it or not.

    "I'm from the Government and I'm here to help."

    and my favorite:

    Edward Young Retired

    After you make that expensive repair and you still have the same problem, What will you check next?

  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 22,403
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    Damned if they do and damned if they don’t 😉

    Ask for public and pro input
    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
    Larry Weingarten
  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 9,853
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    EdTheHeaterMan said:

    ...and this is what is good for us wether we like it or not.

    "I'm from the Government and I'm here to help."

    and my favorite:

    Never hear that from someone that is sitting on the roof of their house in a flood.

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