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BigO
BigO Member Posts: 10

Help, just bought this house survived the bulk of the winter never had any issues today the boiler started leaking in various locations I tightened one spot yesterday and two other started up , also took. A picture of temperature and pressure , all the copper pipes are cold that used to be warm to the touch ; not too sure what I’m looking at ; I still have hot water just doesn’t feel like heat is going to the baseboards. 

Any insight is appreciated 

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  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 6,768
    1) Do you have a contract for oil and burner service?   Yes  call them...but I'm getting the  imagery that you are C.O.D. oil.  
    2) Start calling for burner service NOW. .

    OIL burners are not as easy as gas...gotta know your stuff and gave certain tools.  That heating system may have worked but is a poor install from day 1   just sayin...mad Dog

    HVACNUTSTEVEusaPA
  • BigO
    BigO Member Posts: 10
    Previous owners were COD we got three delivery’s so far from the same company just never got a service contract 
    Mad Dog_2
  • Big Ed_4
    Big Ed_4 Member Posts: 2,712
    edited March 2023
    Check your oil supply , check the switches and breakers , make sure you have power to the boiler

    I have enough experience to know , that I dont know it all
    BigO
  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 6,768
    Big mistake...especially with beat up equipment like that..Do you have CO detectors in the boiler room and by bedrooms?  If not get em tonight.  Even COD companies will do per diem service or know someone.  Oil burners are not a hobby. Get on the horn  🤘  keep us posted  Mad Dog
    BigOSTEVEusaPA
  • BigO
    BigO Member Posts: 10
    I checked the breaker I flicked it on an off just to get this thing too reset now it’s back on and the boilers making some kind of noise hopefully this will hold me over till I can get a service in 
    Mad Dog_2
  • HVACNUT
    HVACNUT Member Posts: 5,765
    Find some reputable oil heat contractors and get prices for a serious upgrade. An 80's JOT and a direct fired water heater isn't exactly efficient. If the primary control ever takes a poop, that would be a small down payment on a new system anyway because they're big $$.
    There's good advice here before you commit to anything. It's warming up, and you have the water heater, so no rush.

    Mad Dog_2BigO
  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 6,768
    Listen to those in the know here....Mad Dog 
  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 21,898
    Interesting air purger installation 😗
    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
  • BigO
    BigO Member Posts: 10
    Hey guys thanks for everyone’s help , yeah it looks like I’m gonna have to start budgeting obviously this **** wasn’t maintained upon further inspection I realized the box with the red thing the button was out when it used to be in so I pulled off the box and discovered this looks like something burned out 
  • BigO
    BigO Member Posts: 10
    Can anyone give me an idea of a total system replacement, it’s 4 zones ; also I’m hearing daikin is a pretty good system but I’ll leave it to those with more experience ; you guys been a great help. I’m ready to return the house 🥲
  • gyrfalcon
    gyrfalcon Member Posts: 156
    Your best bet is to use the find a contractor search.  Is it worth fixing at this point?  Who knows. May be good money after bad.  As far as a good system replacement… What kind of heat emitters do you have?  Do you have A/C already? Good ducting? Lots of options to go with but you gotta have a good installation and servicing company.  Is oil your only fuel source? 
    Slant Fin Galaxy GG100(1986) , 2 zone hot water baseboard, T87 Honeywell thermostats. 
  • gyrfalcon
    gyrfalcon Member Posts: 156
    Also, Daikin makes a high efficiency combi boiler but I’m not sure if it’s availability in the N American market.  They also make an air to water heat pump but that is electric not oil and depending on the rest of the homes emitters, a heat pump may not generate enough heat for radiant.  Where are you located?
    Slant Fin Galaxy GG100(1986) , 2 zone hot water baseboard, T87 Honeywell thermostats. 
  • BigO
    BigO Member Posts: 10
    What kind of heat emitters do you have? Baseboards  Do you have A/C already? There’s ductless split units on basement & first floor.

    Good ducting?no idea just bought the house  

    Lots of options to go with but you gotta have a good installation and servicing company.  Is oil your only fuel source?  Yeah no gas lines , I’m in Suffolk 

  • HVACNUT
    HVACNUT Member Posts: 5,765
    Ask for a heat loss calculation. Don't go by the ratings of the existing boiler.
    Describe your domestic needs. 12 people, jacuzzi tub? 
    A 3 pass boiler with an indirect water heater or a System 2000 with their water heater is what you're looking for. 
    You're in Suffolk County NY? There's an oil dealer on every corner. In the mall too.

    STEVEusaPA
  • MaxMercy
    MaxMercy Member Posts: 498
    BigO said:

    upon further inspection I realized the box with the red thing the button was out when it used to be in so I pulled off the box and discovered this looks like something burned out

    Nothing burned out. Some dolt was removing the wire from under the screw with the power on and got his screwdriver between the terminal and the case ground. It just arced, probably tripped the breaker, and left behind the black carbon telltale sign.
    Dave CarpentierbburdMikeAmann
  • BigO
    BigO Member Posts: 10
    MaxMercy said:
    upon further inspection I realized the box with the red thing the button was out when it used to be in so I pulled off the box and discovered this looks like something burned out
    Nothing burned out. Some dolt was removing the wire from under the screw with the power on and got his screwdriver between the terminal and the case ground. It just arced, probably tripped the breaker, and left behind the black carbon telltale sign.
    So is this thing still usable ? 
  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 7,618
    edited March 2023
    From what I see, the oil burner is operating. The 428 Ohm reading says that there is a flame inside the chamber. Although you have 2 primary safety controls. That Reset Button control has a primary control built in and the Carlin control is also a primary safety control. Someone with a brain may have rewired that Triple Acting Aquastat Primary control to eliminate the primary control function… OR …there are 2 cad cell holders in that burner. Either way, that setup is unconventional. I would replace the Triple Acting Aquastat Relay with something like an L7224U in order to eliminate any confusion. They are more reliable and much less expensive than the control you have.

    Can you tell if the circulator pumps are operating? The pipes to the radiators should get hot when you turn up the thermostat.


    Real mystery... Who decided you need 2 flow check valves within 12" ?
    Edward F Young. Retired HVAC ContractorSpecialized in Residential Oil Burner and Hydronics
  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 7,618
    I think this guy must have been a Belt and Suspenders kind of mechanic
    Two Flo-Control valves per zone
    Two oil filters
    Two primary controlsI wonder if he has 2 wives? Are you located in Utah?


    Edward F Young. Retired HVAC ContractorSpecialized in Residential Oil Burner and Hydronics
    BigOMikeAmann
  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 6,768
    You need Robert O'Brien of Technical Heating in Mount Sinai. I'd get the call to him in. Every plumber worth their salt is busy doing boilers and heat still. He's Honest, excellent and probably not far from you. He's listed on Find A Contractor. We know of him and his work for 25 years. Mad Dog
    EdTheHeaterManSTEVEusaPAMikeAmann
  • BigO
    BigO Member Posts: 10
    From what I see, the oil burner is operating. The 428 Ohm reading says that there is a flame inside the chamber. Although you have 2 primary safety controls. That Reset Button control has a primary control built in and the Carlin control is also a primary safety control. Someone with a brain may have rewired that Triple Acting Aquastat Primary control to eliminate the primary control function… OR …there are 2 cad cell holders in that burner. Either way, that setup is unconventional. I would replace the Triple Acting Aquastat Relay with something like an L7224U in order to eliminate any confusion. They are more reliable and much less expensive than the control you have. Can you tell if the circulator pumps are operating? The pipes to the radiators should get hot when you turn up the thermostat. Real mystery... Who decided you need 2 flow check valves within 12" ?
    If you mean those big red thing that’s look like baby fire hydrants there warm and vibrating , when I raised the thermostat in the basement the pipes all stayed cold.
  • HVACNUT
    HVACNUT Member Posts: 5,765
    edited March 2023
    From what I see, the oil burner is operating. The 428 Ohm reading says that there is a flame inside the chamber. Although you have 2 primary safety controls. That Reset Button control has a primary control built in and the Carlin control is also a primary safety control. Someone with a brain may have rewired that Triple Acting Aquastat Primary control to eliminate the primary control function… OR …there are 2 cad cell holders in that burner. Either way, that setup is unconventional. I would replace the Triple Acting Aquastat Relay with something like an L7224U in order to eliminate any confusion. They are more reliable and much less expensive than the control you have. Can you tell if the circulator pumps are operating? The pipes to the radiators should get hot when you turn up the thermostat. Real mystery... Who decided you need 2 flow check valves within 12" ?
    The 7284 is on the water heater. The 8182D is on the boiler.
  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 7,618
    HVACNUT said:

    The 7284 is on the water heater. The 8182D is on the boiler.

    Thanks, I took a closer look at the 2 Carlin burners... makes sense now. But there are still 4 more Flo-Controls then needed. As far as diagnosing the heat... it appears that one of the circulators may have a bad coupling by this statement.
    If you mean those big red thing that’s look like baby fire hydrants there warm and vibrating , when I raised the thermostat in the basement the pipes all stayed cold.


    Are any of the pipes on the heating boiler warm? With that R8182D control, the boiler should be maintaining temperature @ 150° to 160° if there is no call for heat. If the boiler is not hot, then there may be a burner problem or an electrical/control problem. Need Professional help.
    Edward F Young. Retired HVAC ContractorSpecialized in Residential Oil Burner and Hydronics
  • BigO
    BigO Member Posts: 10
    I hit the reset button , twice back to back I watched where it tripped I touched it probably shouldn’t have but all my zones are running so I’m gonna get a service contract and get one of these oil companies to come take a look and give me more insight but I have Heat Now house is nice and toasty 
  • BigO
    BigO Member Posts: 10
    Everybody here been helpful AF I appreciate all of you 
    Mad Dog_2HVACNUT