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Homeowner needs help optimizing 2 pipe steam system in Iowa

Stardance
Stardance Member Posts: 23
Have a couple 2 pipe steam radiators located on second floor of 1925 build home that are only partially heating. One local HVAC contractor told me to partially close the first floor radiators to fix the problem and that didn't work. Contractor then said there was no solution and I should replace with a new HVAC. I am suspicious of his opinion.
Now I don't know who to talk to locally since there aren't any contractors in my area (Fairfield, Iowa) listed on this website.
Do I need to absorb the info in the book "The Lost Art of Steam Heating" before I talk with another local heating contractor or can someone on this forum help me virtually?
Thanks.

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  • neilc
    neilc Member Posts: 2,854
    Yes, read that book, read "We've Got Steam " first,

    are these rooms comfortable, keeping temp ?
    steam does not necessarily need to heat a complete rad to be effective.
    post a picture of the rad(s)

    is the whole house 2 pipe?

    what pressure is the boiler getting up to ?
    picture or 2 of the boiler, floor to ceiling, showing the pipes above,
    and of any odd devices that might be there,
    known to beat dead horses
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 16,470
    Yes @Stardance

    post some pictures and we can help you out
  • Stardance
    Stardance Member Posts: 23
    Rooms are comfortable except for upstairs where 2 rads are barely working. Boiler pressure looks to be around 1 or less. Whole house is 2 pipe. Reference the following photos.





  • neilc
    neilc Member Posts: 2,854
    edited January 2022
    that boiler does not look correctly piped above it,
    get a better shot or 2 of the 2 pipes coming out of the top of the boiler, and if they connect and how, and if they connect back down to the return piping,

    and you have one of those thinga majigs I know little about,
    so I'll let others comment more
    known to beat dead horses
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 17,380
    This is probably a Trane Vapor system. The cylindrical device in the third pic is probably a Trane Direct Return Trap. @Stardance , is there a label on it?

    If it is a Trane, you can read more about it here:

    https://heatinghelp.com/heating-museum/trane-heating-specialties-for-vapor-and-vacuum-systems/

    If radiators aren't heating, I'd suspect the vent at the end of the dry (overhead) return isn't working properly. All the air from the radiators goes out through this vent.
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
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  • Stardance
    Stardance Member Posts: 23
    edited January 2022
    Thanks, @Steamhead. Yes it does have a Trane label on it. I found 4 other devices in lines close to the Trane trap. Here is what they look like.

  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 17,380
    Those are main vents. And they look too small.

    How long is each steam main, and what pipe size?
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
  • The Steam Whisperer
    The Steam Whisperer Member Posts: 1,251
    You may need to get a vaporstat on that system. If the pressure gets too high (originally about 8 ounces) the original trane return air vent may close because water backs up into it when pressures are too high. If you measure in inches from the boiler water line to the height of the Trance return air vent and divide by 28, you'll get the maximum pressure the system can operate properly.
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