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Swivel Flange Gaskets

SENWiEco
SENWiEco Member Posts: 159
I have just started my mechanical room and have a Wilo Star for my buffer tank circulator. I have a set of Wilo 1-1/4 BV Flanges I will be using with this circulator (Art No 2705806).

These flanges came with both a flat gasket as well as a 'split' gasket. I have not previously used these type of flanges with a split gasket and not totally sure how to use. I reached out to Wilo, but they did not understand my question.

Can anyone look at attached photos and confirm I have used the split gasket correctly and have it facing the right direction on the flange. Also, should the split in the gasket be at any specific orientation (bottom)?



Sean Wiens

Comments

  • EdTheHeaterMan
    EdTheHeaterMan Member Posts: 7,833
    edited November 2021
    I have used that flange once before, not a fan! But I don't think that split gasket goes there. I could be wrong. The important gasket is the solid one. As long as you have it on the face of the flange valve body and the face of the pump, and the bolts are tightened evenly, it should not leak. The metal to metal connection (where you are showing the split ring gasket) does not need a gasket there.

    Is the connection leaking? If not, then you are good to go!
    Edward F Young. Retired HVAC ContractorSpecialized in Residential Oil Burner and Hydronics
    SENWiEco
  • SENWiEco
    SENWiEco Member Posts: 159
    thanks @EdTheHeaterMan - I have just started layout of my mechanical room, so have not pressurized yet. Yes I will make sure face gasket is properly placed and flange torqued. The split ones were in bag, so clearly the Wilo intended for them to be used, but they could not explain 'how'. This circulator shows it can take flanges in the size range of 3/4" up to 1-1/2". So may be the split gasket is to ensure the pipe end of the flange stays centred on the circulator flange?
    Sean Wiens
    EdTheHeaterMan
  • mattmia2
    mattmia2 Member Posts: 9,636
    Does the rotating part of the flange stay on the part that connects to the pipe without that plastic ring or does that fit between the 2?
  • That split gasket is a friction ring; does nothing except allow the two parts to move easily.
    8.33 lbs./gal. x 60 min./hr. x 20°ΔT = 10,000 BTU's/hour

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  • SENWiEco
    SENWiEco Member Posts: 159
    @mattmia2 - the rotating ring does stay on the flange without the gasket. Without the gasket, parts are quite sloppy. The rotating ring can also be removed from the flange through the two cut-out ears you see on the ring.

    Glad this was not a stupid question. I had not seen these before and felt like a fool not knowing what to do with it.
    Sean Wiens
  • SENWiEco
    SENWiEco Member Posts: 159
    Could this be to create an acoustical barrier by providing a gasket between the pipe and the circulator? Wish I could get a response from Wilo
    Sean Wiens
  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 22,122
    I think the ring isolates the metal flange from the brass valve, both a slip ring and dielectric ring. The flat gasket makes the seal. The flat ring should fit into a recess in the pump body to keep it in place, it's not just a flat gasket, but a ring sized to that pump.

    Wilo uses a much larger ring compared to other brands, really no substituting.
    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
    SENWiEcorick in Alaska
  • SENWiEco
    SENWiEco Member Posts: 159
    thanks @hot_rod - that makes a lot of sense. And yes the flat gasket does fit nicely in the recess. It is surprising that that flange pack does not come with any instructions considering this is an unusual set-up and how important this dielectric gasket is. Thanks again for your help. You have assisted me greatly in my mechanical room design. I will post a photo once complete.
    Sean Wiens
  • I know this design quite well (I was their North American Product/Project Manager back then). The single piece gasket is installed inside the recess in the pump volute. The split ring is intended to align and hold the pieces in place. Back then we didn't think we needed an instruction sheet.

    The most interesting thing for me was, regardless if the design made sense and lowered the number of pumps a guy had in his truck, few were willing to pay a bit more for this feature. Hence the 4 bolt flange (that I personally think looks weird).

    Let me know if you have any other questions about their product - I'm happy to assist.
    SENWiEco
  • SENWiEco
    SENWiEco Member Posts: 159
    edited November 2021
    Thanks Steve - appreciate the info. Based on all the above comments, I think I have installed correctly and will move on. I have lots of soldering ahead of me :#
    Sean Wiens
  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 22,122
    Be careful  when you sweat, the plastic ring doesn’t take much before it starts to squirm. It can be removed and replaced, but a bummer if you crack it in half🥲
    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
  • SENWiEco
    SENWiEco Member Posts: 159
    thanks @hot_rod - assume you are meaning teflon seal in ball valves? Most of my valves/components have NPT connections so will be off when soldering. For the few sweat ones I have, I will be using https://www.supplyhouse.com/Refrigeration-Technologies-RT400P-Wetrag-Heat-Blocking-Compound-12-oz (have not used before, so looking forward to trying)
    Sean Wiens
  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 22,122
    SENWiEco said:
    thanks @hot_rod - that makes a lot of sense. And yes the flat gasket does fit nicely in the recess. It is surprising that that flange pack does not come with any instructions considering this is an unusual set-up and how important this dielectric gasket is. Thanks again for your help. You have assisted me greatly in my mechanical room design. I will post a photo once complete.
    The plastic split ring, remove or protect it when you solder
    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
    SENWiEco