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Excess Water in Crown Boiler (3-5 gal.) everyday, producing bad steam

Steve_7Steve_7 Member Posts: 5
Good Morning

I am at my wit's end with my Crown Boiler (Model KM BSI241ENPZZPSU). I had a new Crown Boiler installed a few years back , after having another Crown Boiler for 20 years before that.

For the first two years everything was fine. Stable amount of water in the site glass, periodic blowing down, even heat throughout the house.

This winter something changed.

On any given day, I can go to bed or go to work with a normal site glass amount of water and return (or get up) and find the site glass full and poor steam being made, thus uneven heat.

When I go to drain the excess water, I can fill a 5 gallon bucket with no issue. This again can occur overnight or during the course of a workday.

I have experimented with turning off the water feed when I am home to if that made a difference or stopped the excess water. To my nonscientific surprise, I almost never have additional makeup water or a full site glass when the water feed is turned off. I actually keep a stable amount in the site glass as well see no surging. I also have very even heat throughout the house.

I have attached pictures of the boiler and piping.

I have swapped out the two main vents and have not replaced any radiator vents.

It was suggested by a friend to have the low water cut off valve cleaned, but that is out of my area of expertise and comfort.

I want to resolve this as I know from my 20+ years as a homeowner I should not have to dump that much water daily. I just don't want to engage a repair person who will chase an issue and not resolve it quickly.

I reside on the south side of Chicago.

Please share any advice. Thanks in advance.

Steve Casey







Comments

  • STEAM DOCTORSTEAM DOCTOR Member Posts: 1,032
    Your automatic feeder might be bad And leaking. That will overfill the boiler and will certainly give you uneven heat and other problems.
  • EBEBRATT-EdEBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 6,739
    @Steve_75
    Good for you that knowing too much water is bad.

    There's 3 possibilities:

    1. Manual shut off valve is leaking by
    2. Automatic water feeder is leaking by
    3. Problem with the low water cutoff that operates the water feeder.

    #2 is most likely , then #3, #then #2

    I would have them install a new manual shut off valve upstream of the feeder and the existing manual shut off valve. That way if you have problems in the future you can feed the boiler manually without shutting off the entire house

    Your service company can take care of this. If you need someone in Chicago check "find a contractor" on this site
    STEAM DOCTOR
  • Steve_7Steve_7 Member Posts: 5
    Many thanks for your quick and thorough responses. You have at least confirmed my initial thinking of what is going on.

    Now on to the contractor.
  • coolfx35coolfx35 Member Posts: 35
    You should not need to empty any water. Must be the automatic water feed
  • GordoGordo Member Posts: 726
    @Steve_7 : I would consider replacing the McDonnell/Miller UniMatch feeder that you currently use, and have installed instead a Hydrolevel VXT automatic water feeder.

    I would suggest relocating the feeder (whichever one you decide), above the water line of your boiler. I suspect that the feeder's current location may contribute to it's premature failing. I'm not sure why that occurs, but I have noticed that feeders in that location below the waterline seem to flood boilers more often.

    Please check YouTube for information on both the UniMatch and the VXT.
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  • Steve_7Steve_7 Member Posts: 5
    Thanks to all. I was able to wrestle my "old" steam guy out of retirement and he agreed with your perspectives.
  • exqheatexqheat Member Posts: 53
    It would appear that the new boiler was installed lower than the original boiler. Better experts than I can explain the detail, but this in itself will create a situation where the steam is made and water level goes down. The auto fill comes on to bring it the level up. When the system is off on thermostat, the condensate raises the water above the proper level. You are not about to re pipe and raise the boiler. What I do is to monitor the levels very closely through the cycle and partially close the feed pipe to the make up control so not as much water is fed, leaving room for the condensate to make up the rest. Some make up controls ( McDonald Miller)have a variable time selection to change the amount of time the makeup valve is open. You can look up the instructions for your model to see the selections available ( if available)

    The net effect of the adjustment allows the boiler to operate with the proper steam cavity, while condensate and fill water keep the boiler safe.
    John Cockerill
  • New England SteamWorksNew England SteamWorks Member Posts: 1,309
    Leaky fill valves are more common than one might think, before you go to the expense of replacing the feeder.


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    Service, Installation, & Restoration of Steam Heating Systems
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  • dopey27177dopey27177 Member Posts: 224
    simple quick test for finding the source of the extra incoming water.

    Fill the boiler to proper operating level and close the valve at the lower end of the of the feed water piping. That will tell you that the leak is in the feed water supply.

    Replace the auto feeder and the bypass valve with new valves, this way your problem will go away for a long time.

    Also install a valve above T connection to the auto feeder and bypass.

    Get some one who does neater soldering work and knows how to install piping that makes service and repair work easier and will allow the boiler to operate while repairs are made,

    Jake

    Jake
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