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New Pressure Reducing Valve Problem

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nibs
nibs Member Posts: 513
edited September 2019 in THE MAIN WALL
Brand new Watts PRV works, goes to required pressure (50#) then slowly raises to 70# + which opens the relieve valve. It would seem that this is a classic sign of crud caught in the diaphragm, my bad for not flushing the new house supply line. Any tips on washing the crud out, have tried tapping it while flushing the toilet. Gonna try zero-ing the house pressure, turning the valve up to its highest, and with a faucet open open the supply line for max flushing.

Will monitor pressure closely while doing this.

Really don't want to field strip the prv so any hints would be appreciated.

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  • STEVEusaPA
    STEVEusaPA Member Posts: 6,505
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    Is this on a water heater? Then it should be a T&P (temperature & pressure) relief valve.
    First I'd make sure it is the correct one and wasn't installed backwards, which I've seen twice on a boiler.
    Then I'd confirm temperature and pressure with separate gauges.
    You could put a bucket under the relief valve pipe and carefully open the valve to flush it, then let it seat and give it a tap.
    70# seems low for opening on pressure, what's the water temp?

    Also you may need a domestic expansion tank set for the same pressure as your water service.

    Hopefully this isn't on a regular domestic/residential boiler, in which case that's a dangerous pressure.

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  • JUGHNE
    JUGHNE Member Posts: 11,074
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    Is this a PRV...pressure reducing valve for filling boilers or
    Pop off valve.....pressure relief valve on a boiler or water heater??
    What is it installed on?

    Your header states relief valve but the text implies a fill valve.
  • nibs
    nibs Member Posts: 513
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    Argh my bad, the problem is with the Pressure reducing valve, not the relief valve. PRV set to 50lbs and pressure relief valve opens at 70 lbs because the prv is going overpressure.
    SORRY (going out to eat worms now)
  • STEVEusaPA
    STEVEusaPA Member Posts: 6,505
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    Oh geez, that's different...good eye @JUGHNE

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  • JUGHNE
    JUGHNE Member Posts: 11,074
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    Big boiler....tall building....high city pressure?
    Is the PRV rated to deliver 50PSI?
  • nibs
    nibs Member Posts: 513
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    @JUGHNE ;
    City water 100psi +/-, PRV max input 400# output range 20#to 75#. House is on grade, prv goes to setpoint, then creeps up to 70# plus, & pops off the relief valve.
  • nibs
    nibs Member Posts: 513
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    Should add expansion tank set to 50#
  • STEVEusaPA
    STEVEusaPA Member Posts: 6,505
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    I'm still confused. Is this on a water heater?

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  • nibs
    nibs Member Posts: 513
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    Line comes into house, PRV then filter then goes to house for domestic use, Combi supplies DHW and radiant boiler. Manual fill line to boiler no problems with that. Just the peky PRV that allows the pressure to creep up during next 5 to 10 minutes.
    Open a faucet and pressure goes quickly to set point, then creeps up.
  • STEVEusaPA
    STEVEusaPA Member Posts: 6,505
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    Do you have a back flow preventer on the water service coming in?
    For the PRV, I guess your options are:
    -Take it apart, try to fix it.
    -Replace it
    -Put in one of these

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  • hot_rod
    hot_rod Member Posts: 22,254
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    Usually some dirt , teflon tape, etc stuck in the seat. Disassemble and clean will usually fix the creep.

    Wait too long and you may get a groove worn into the brass seat, then a replacement is required. Which should of course be the easily serviced Caleffi pictured above. :)

    Simply unscrew the grey plastic hex to expose the screen and working parts.
    Bob "hot rod" Rohr
    trainer for Caleffi NA
    Living the hydronic dream
    Henry
  • nibs
    nibs Member Posts: 513
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    Saved by the wall.
    54lbs and holding.
    Thanks @hot_rod for telling me to take it apart, enough sand and gravel to start a business. Had a new strainer on the shelf, so put that in to try to get the crud before it hits the PRV.
    The brand of PRV installed is a bear to clean, very skinny O rings that need a bit of grease to keep in place for re-assembly, the O ring at the back stayed in the housing and fell into the supply pipe, the screen hangs up and is quite hard to get out without damage. Got pretty good at re-assembly by doing it about 5 times.
    SeanBeans