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New Boiler Installation in Time-Lapse Video!
Harry_6
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I recently completed overseeing the installation of a new 624 MBH Burnham steam boiler in a 9,000 sq. ft. victorian house in the Toledo area. The 1983 boiler that came before it was also a Burnham, but WAY too small and incorrectly installed with a condensate return pump. To make things better, it had a big hole in one of the sections, and was generally a mess. Also, the house was equipped with a Mouat system, and the old boiler's installer was oblivious - using a standard off-the-shelf Honeywell pressure control set for several psi. And. . . several original orifice radiator valves had been replaced with standard valves, which tipped me off that there was trouble ahead even before I saw the boiler!
Luckily the owner was amenable to doing what needed to be done to put the system back into a condition worthy of such a beautiful home. We did the demo and poured a pad ourselves, to save a couple bucks, and after (Exhaustive!) searching, found a local contractor capable of doing the job (strangely hard to find steam guys in Toledo). The boiler was equipped with a low-high-low gas train, and low and high vaporstats. I did a dropped header with cast fittings and went old-school and used Calsil covered with canvas and mud over the fittings for insulation. To fix the other problems I installed orifices (Tunstall, of course) on the radiators with the standard valves, new main vents, and an artificial waterline (the wet return had been dry). I wanted to enable using it as a vacuum/vapor system, so I used vacuum main vents and an obsessive number of gauges: A 0-16 oz. gauge for low operating pressures, a compound gauge in case we developed vacuum, and the code/factory 0-30 psi gauge that came as standard equipment (yes, I know I could have just used a 30-0-30 compound gauge, but I didn't have one).
I had a camera set up for most of the process, and for fun did it as a time-lapse. I can't say how many hours were actual consumed doing the work, as it took place over the moderate months and a couple times we paused for a week or two waiting for parts or information. But here it is, squished together for your entertainment! https://youtu.be/4YlnAdCvVvY
HS
Luckily the owner was amenable to doing what needed to be done to put the system back into a condition worthy of such a beautiful home. We did the demo and poured a pad ourselves, to save a couple bucks, and after (Exhaustive!) searching, found a local contractor capable of doing the job (strangely hard to find steam guys in Toledo). The boiler was equipped with a low-high-low gas train, and low and high vaporstats. I did a dropped header with cast fittings and went old-school and used Calsil covered with canvas and mud over the fittings for insulation. To fix the other problems I installed orifices (Tunstall, of course) on the radiators with the standard valves, new main vents, and an artificial waterline (the wet return had been dry). I wanted to enable using it as a vacuum/vapor system, so I used vacuum main vents and an obsessive number of gauges: A 0-16 oz. gauge for low operating pressures, a compound gauge in case we developed vacuum, and the code/factory 0-30 psi gauge that came as standard equipment (yes, I know I could have just used a 30-0-30 compound gauge, but I didn't have one).
I had a camera set up for most of the process, and for fun did it as a time-lapse. I can't say how many hours were actual consumed doing the work, as it took place over the moderate months and a couple times we paused for a week or two waiting for parts or information. But here it is, squished together for your entertainment! https://youtu.be/4YlnAdCvVvY
HS
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That is so cool!
I think if I were doing a video like that, I'd end with some infrared video of the system heating up, and use the fourth movement of Camille Saint-Saens' Third Symphony for that portion.All Steamed Up, Inc.
Towson, MD, USA
Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
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Great! Thanks for sharing!0
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Most excellent indeed! I periodically get requests from the Toledo area, and i wont go that far. I will send them your way!
Thanks for sharing, that was fungwgillplumbingandheating.com
Serving Cleveland's eastern suburbs from Cleveland Heights down to Cuyahoga Falls.0 -
Thanks, all, for the compliments. Who knew that steam enthusiasts would be so classical music literate! And thanks Gerry, new projects are always welcome!0
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For those not familiar, here's a real good video of the Saint-Saens. You can just picture that system heating up to this. The drums would represent expansion, not water-hammer:Harry said:Thanks, all, for the compliments. Who knew that steam enthusiasts would be so classical music literate! And thanks Gerry, new projects are always welcome!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=976wD5RnxIMAll Steamed Up, Inc.
Towson, MD, USA
Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
Oil & Gas Burner Service
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@Harry , are you on this site's Find a Contractor page? If not, you should be. Check the link in my signature to see what an ad might look like.All Steamed Up, Inc.
Towson, MD, USA
Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
Oil & Gas Burner Service
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Aaah! great! Paavo Jarvi! Cincinnati Symphony Music Director 2001 to 2011 and probably one of the best conductors today. His inaugural season concert with the CSO was 3 days after 9/11 in 2001. What a concert that was, too! We all cried. I was fortunate to work at CSO for a number of years right out of conservatory and have known him and a majority of CSO musicians, many of whom taught at the College-Conservatory of Music.Steamhead said:
For those not familiar, here's a real good video of the Saint-Saens. You can just picture that system heating up to this. The drums would represent expansion, not water-hammer:Harry said:Thanks, all, for the compliments. Who knew that steam enthusiasts would be so classical music literate! And thanks Gerry, new projects are always welcome!
As to 'pipe(ing) symphony' here's one to give you all a chuckle (I have some young kids at home and they are aware of my love for steam heat )
https://youtu.be/jxAMnLjtvDA?t=8s1 -
Wow, literate was apparently an understatement! Thanks for the animation - my 7 year-old granddaughter will also get a kick out of it.
In answer to the other question, no, I'm not on the contractor list because I don't consider myself technically a contractor. I'm a "consultant." I specialize in analyzing troubles and doing minor work (piping modifications, vents, vaporstats, adding/moving radiators, that kind of thing), but I leave the boiler installs to contractors with licenses, insurance and crews of big burly guys younger than me. I diagnose problems and write reports/proposals. I will recommend boiler contractors, since I know a few good ones in the area I work in (Detroit, mostly, but a little Toledo - Toledo has mostly hot water - I prefer steam!). For the boiler in the video I diagnosed the problems, designed the plant, worked with the owner on getting the right contractor, specified what I/we wanted from the contractor, and assisted them to a degree in the assembly. I also did all of the steam and condensate piping myself. If you want something done right . .
Mostly I've been doing work on old mansions in Detroit - typically 3,500-5,500 sq. ft. Lots of steam thereabouts, and few who understand it. I advertise only occasionally in historic district newsletters. Lots of word-of-mouth. I'm hoping to post more related youtube videos when I get a chance. In a former life I was the chief engineer at the Detroit Fox Theatre, the second largest of the old 1920's movie palaces in the country (after Radio City Music Hall) for almost four decades. I do have a stationary engineer's license, and I think the biggest pipe I've ever personally installed was 10". In those days I also designed our 600 ton lithium-bromide absorption chiller plant. Ah, good times! To understand old technology one has to live and work with it. And it's usually better.
PS - I also work on pipe organs!3 -
Don't let that keep you off FAC. Here's one consultant already on there:
https://heatinghelp.com/find-a-contractor/detail/consulting-by-mad-dog-cx4-inc
There are probably more but this was all I could find quickly.
All Steamed Up, Inc.
Towson, MD, USA
Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
Oil & Gas Burner Service
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Steamhead's right, you should be on the list.gwgillplumbingandheating.com
Serving Cleveland's eastern suburbs from Cleveland Heights down to Cuyahoga Falls.0 -
Steamhead: I forgot to mention how fond I've always been of the Saint-Saens organ symphony. Still gives me chills when the main theme comes in - although my granddaughter only knows it from "Babe." I'll have to find a place for it in a video some time (or something from Carnival of the Animals, perhaps!).0
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It's popped up in a couple other places, too. Here's one where it was adapted for a boy choir:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCcfg4q9PrAAll Steamed Up, Inc.
Towson, MD, USA
Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
Oil & Gas Burner Service
Consulting1
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