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Model numbers?

Paul S_3
Paul S_3 Member Posts: 1,257
edited May 2016 in THE MAIN WALL
Do you guys put model numbers on your estimates? Sometimes i think the customers use it against me....i do not put the size of the equipment.....i state on my estimates that i will perform a heat loss/heat gain before starting job. What do you guys do?
ASM Mechanical Company
Located in Staten Island NY
Servicing all 5 boroughs of NYC.
347-692-4777
[email protected]
ASMHVACNYC.COM
https://heatinghelp.com/find-a-contractor/detail/asm-mechanical-company

Comments

  • STEAM DOCTOR
    STEAM DOCTOR Member Posts: 1,368
    No way. Information is valuable.
  • 4Johnpipe
    4Johnpipe Member Posts: 479
    I list the product / manufacturer only...same wording that equipment will be selected after heat loss performed.
    LANGAN'S PLUMBING & HEATING LLC
    Considerate People, Considerate Service, Consider It Done!
    732-751-1560
    email: [email protected]
    www.langansplumbing.com
  • Paul S_3
    Paul S_3 Member Posts: 1,257
    edited May 2016
    So not even the model less the capacity...for example the Lochnivar KHN.....you guys think its too much info
    ASM Mechanical Company
    Located in Staten Island NY
    Servicing all 5 boroughs of NYC.
    347-692-4777
    [email protected]
    ASMHVACNYC.COM
    https://heatinghelp.com/find-a-contractor/detail/asm-mechanical-company
  • gennady
    gennady Member Posts: 830
    I only list major items brand names in estimates.
  • nicholas bonham-carter
    nicholas bonham-carter Member Posts: 8,507
    Do you calculate the heat loss before giving the estimate, (without giving the results to the customer)?--NBC
  • Paul S_3
    Paul S_3 Member Posts: 1,257
    No i only calculate heat loss once i get the job
    ASM Mechanical Company
    Located in Staten Island NY
    Servicing all 5 boroughs of NYC.
    347-692-4777
    [email protected]
    ASMHVACNYC.COM
    https://heatinghelp.com/find-a-contractor/detail/asm-mechanical-company
  • 4Johnpipe
    4Johnpipe Member Posts: 479
    I do a basic block load to get me in the ball park. Then the cost of the room by room whole house heat loss is added into the quoted price.
    LANGAN'S PLUMBING & HEATING LLC
    Considerate People, Considerate Service, Consider It Done!
    732-751-1560
    email: [email protected]
    www.langansplumbing.com
    STEVEusaPA
  • Steve Minnich
    Steve Minnich Member Posts: 2,673
    I include make, model, and Btu/h input. But like John, I don't do a room by room until I get 1/3 down.
    Steve Minnich
    Minnich Hydronic Consulting & Design, LLC
    [email protected]
  • Rich_49
    Rich_49 Member Posts: 2,607
    Including make , model and BTUh input leaves you no room to offer something different . Never paint yourself into a corner . You very well may find out that the unit you first mentioned mat not be the best one for that project . If you have made a mistake that gets uncovered during more extensive calculations you have shot yourself in the foot .
    You didn't get what you didn't pay for and it will never be what you thought it would .
    Langans Plumbing & Heating LLC
    732-751-1560
    Serving most of New Jersey, Eastern Pa .
    Consultation, Design & Installation anywhere
    Rich McGrath 732-581-3833
  • Paul S_3
    Paul S_3 Member Posts: 1,257
    I include the make on estimate....i dont give the btuh until i perform a heat loss/edr with 1/2 down..... im asking because i recently had a few customers call me and ask for the model ....then they went with a different company. The other company didnt include the make or model.....i try to list everything that i will be doing on the install so i can seperate myself on paper from other contractors that just list
    "Replace heating system .... $XXXX.XX"
    ASM Mechanical Company
    Located in Staten Island NY
    Servicing all 5 boroughs of NYC.
    347-692-4777
    [email protected]
    ASMHVACNYC.COM
    https://heatinghelp.com/find-a-contractor/detail/asm-mechanical-company
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 14,831
    What probably happened is the other company said they would install the same make and model for, say, 5 or 10 percent cheaper. We've run into that too. When we start asking things like whether they would pipe the boiler with a proper header in black steel rather than copper, the truth comes out.
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
    Paul S_3
  • Steve Minnich
    Steve Minnich Member Posts: 2,673
    edited May 2016
    I do a block load and carefully consider the design before putting anything on a proposal. Not once has it ever caused an issue. I would never consider accepting a proposal from someone who didn't include detail and have confidence in their plan of attack. The point is to perform the design before you present your proposal.

    There have been many times when they've come back and asked if there is a less expensive way than my initial proposal detailed and then I'm more than willing to change the scope. That's just part of the process.

    But if a customer chooses a contractor based on the homework that I did and this contractor is foolish enough to install a system based on calculations from someone they don't even know, then they deserve each other. Knowing the plan and having the ability to execute the plan are two different stories.
    Steve Minnich
    Minnich Hydronic Consulting & Design, LLC
    [email protected]
    Rich_49ChrisJ4JohnpipeHatterasguy