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High and low fire problem of Webster JB1C-07

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ben_18
ben_18 Member Posts: 70
A Webster JB1C-07 was installed on 50 HP steel tube Eastmond boiler. It is a gas-oil burner and is running on gas. It was set with a low-high-low firing pattern as per a previous discussion on this forum. The problem is clocking it at the gas meter shows:
LOW 1.2 million btu/hour
HIGH 1 million btu/hour
This doesn't make sense!
And this is after a technician came to adjust it. The low used to be at 1.6 million. For some reason he was able to adjust the high to as low as 700,000 btu but he couldn't get the low fire any lower.
Has anyone encountered a similar problem?
(The communication among this big service department is bad and it has been hard to get this tech to speak to the guy in charge and admit to him there is a problem.)

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  • aircooled81
    aircooled81 Member Posts: 205
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    Does the gas butterfly valve open atleast 75% at high fire?
    Did he adjust the gas by stack-gas analysis?
  • aircooled81
    aircooled81 Member Posts: 205
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    Did anyone adjust the reg? Basically, do you have addequate gas pressure at high fire?
  • ben_18
    ben_18 Member Posts: 70
    edited March 2016
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    I'm not sure about the rest but he did have about 2.5" wc at high and maybe around 1.5" at low if I remember correctly. He did a combustion analysis. And if he would go below 1 million on the low the numbers weren't good on the analyzer.

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  • aircooled81
    aircooled81 Member Posts: 205
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    If you can, was 2.5"wc manifold or inlet gas pressure?
    Nameplate will tell you what inlet should be, manifold is likely there too. What do those state?
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 15,544
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    I am assuming this is low-high fire that it has a two position gas valve (not full modulation with a butterfly valve). You must take furnace (pressure + or draft-) and figure that in with the gas pressure calculation. You do this by using a manometer or a magnahelic with both a high and low pressure taps. High goes on the burner head and low goes to the firebox. I am assuming the gas readings given were taken at the burner head. Don't forget that the required gas pressure readings are given with 0 furnace pressure
  • nicholas bonham-carter
    nicholas bonham-carter Member Posts: 8,576
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    It's just too bad, and all too common that the so-called tech was ill prepared with knowledge, and training to set this up for you. This burner adjustment is just before the final stage of making your system well balanced. The final stage is getting the main venting in order, so you are not getting the Webster to burn a lot of extra gas, in order to push the air out of the radiator vents, instead of the main vents.--NBC
  • aircooled81
    aircooled81 Member Posts: 205
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    Regarding your original post, i am very impressed you clocked the gas meter. I beleive they (the shop who provided you this service) needs to correct this for you. If they have large communication errors, and are not interested in your satisfaction, well then you need to find a new shop.
    I think the original techs opinion is probably mute at this point, if they are hesitant to return sooner than later, after you have explained to them this factual observation you have made, thats just not right.

  • ben_18
    ben_18 Member Posts: 70
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    @aircooled81 It was a big job and I wanted to make sure they got it right. When I first clocked the meter and saw the HIGH was lower than the low I thought I was making a mistake. But the tech came and confirmed this.
    I can't find another company because they are the ones who installed the burner.
    I think the pressure was measured after the regulator at the burner head. The tech thought it might be the gas valve and checked the pressure and said it was good.
    @EBEBRATT-Ed It has only two positions high and low

    Is it possible that they HIGH is lower than the LOW?

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  • JUGHNE
    JUGHNE Member Posts: 11,062
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    If it is a hi-low gas valve could the 2 wire connections be reversed? FWIW
  • ben_18
    ben_18 Member Posts: 70
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    They could. And then it will start on high and go to low. but then if i switch it over to oil it will run the wrong way. The oil part is working fine

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  • JUGHNE
    JUGHNE Member Posts: 11,062
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    I refer to the terminals on the 2 stage gas valve.