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Steam Trap?

EzzyT
EzzyT Member Posts: 1,338
in Strictly Steam
Any one know what kinda trap this is? Havent seen one like this before.
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  • hvacfreak2
    hvacfreak2 Member Posts: 500
    edited December 2015
    Gorton 85A 190 cfm vacuum vent trap. Discontinued due to it causing 4 building foundation failures in Chicago in the 1890's.

    Well it should have some kind of cool story , that is awesome.
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  • EzzyT
    EzzyT Member Posts: 1,338
    Thanks. That is a crazy story.
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  • EzzyT
    EzzyT Member Posts: 1,338
    I have a job were there is 2 of them and they both have failed. Any suggestions on which make and model would be the best replacement? Oh and every convector has these rad traps.
    Couldnt get a picture of the radiator valve though
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  • SteamedInWharton
    SteamedInWharton Member Posts: 62
    The cast markings look like "BY" on the first pic, but appear to be a little clearer as "B&J" on the second pic. @Sailah are these B&J traps?
    Steaming along slowly in Wharton, Morris County, NJ.
  • EzzyT
    EzzyT Member Posts: 1,338
    thats what i was thinking and tried to find out more info on them but no such luck but i will ask Sailah. thanks
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  • Sailah
    Sailah Member Posts: 826
    First trap is a Barnes & Jones vent trap. I recently was asked about parts for it and unfortunately it's too old for us to support. We moved to pattern our current vent trap using the standard H pattern F&T trap that you are all familiar with. Makes it easy to build in support for perpetuity as almost all manufacturers of F&T now use that pattern like Hoffman, Spirax-Sarco, Erwel, Nicholson, Watts, Watson McDaniel etc.

    The second is a radiator trap of course and we will always support those no matter how old. Just need a better pic of the cover or remove cover and let me know the part number stamped on the brass tag.

    Peter
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  • SWEI
    SWEI Member Posts: 7,356
    I'm not familiar with your Vent Traps -- is there a spec on your website someplace?

    thanks~
  • Sailah
    Sailah Member Posts: 826
    Our Vent Trap isn't really published anywhere. We sell them on an OEM basis. Certainly not as good looking as the oldies but much easier for us to keep current as they utilize the same body, head and float mechanism as a regular F&T trap. Then we pipe in a 3/4" Vacuum breaker. There is no air vent of course.

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    Peter Owens
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  • SWEI
    SWEI Member Posts: 7,356
    Interesting -- what is the primary application, and why would I choose it over another type?

    thank you~
  • Pumpguy
    Pumpguy Member Posts: 691
    Also, can you give details of vacuum breaker used? What is it's pipe size? Is it adjustable? What is it's air capacity in ACFM @ say 10" Hg. vacuum?
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  • Sailah
    Sailah Member Posts: 826
    edited December 2015
    SWEI said:

    Interesting -- what is the primary application, and why would I choose it over another type?

    thank you~

    The Vent trap is used in Vapor systems according to the folks @ B&J who know this product. It's not something I'm very familiar with honestly but I can get more information for you if you'd like.
    Pumpguy said:

    Also, can you give details of vacuum breaker used? What is it's pipe size? Is it adjustable? What is it's air capacity in ACFM @ say 10" Hg. vacuum?

    The vacuum breaker is a 3/4" MNPT . It is not adjustable. I don't know if we know the ACFM for it, our spec sheet just lists the amount of vacuum required to "break" it (0.75" Hg). If you have the ability to test this, I'd be happy to send you one.
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  • vaporvac
    vaporvac Member Posts: 1,520
    edited December 2015
    How much air does that Vent Trap vent? Could it be used for a vaporvacuum system without the vacuum breaker? Just curious.
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  • EzzyT
    EzzyT Member Posts: 1,338
    Could also install a steam main vacuum vent like the Hoffman #75 instead of the the vacuum breaker
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  • SWEI
    SWEI Member Posts: 7,356
    Exactly where I was going...
  • Sailah
    Sailah Member Posts: 826
    edited December 2015
    I sent a F&T to Hatterasguy. To make that trap into a vent trap, all that needs to be done is install a plug where the air vent is. Add in a street elbow and the vacuum breaker and you have a vent trap. Perhaps he would be willing to disassemble and try your ideas? I don't have a Gorton or Hoffman to try so I couldn't make one up. We also only have 6-8psi so I'm afraid we aren't much help for the lower pressure testing either.

    I could come up with a used 3/4" body, head and float mechanism if someone wants to screw around with an F&T. I'll include a new head gasket so it'll work. You add the street elbow, plug the thermostatic vent and add your air vent and report back the results?
    Peter Owens
    SteamIQ
  • Abracadabra
    Abracadabra Member Posts: 1,948
    edited December 2015
    Nothing to add to this conversation, but I just wanted to say how impressed I am with @Sailah and his offers to help our community. I just wish more manufacturers (.ie WeilMcLain, McDonnell Miller, Honeywell, etc) would see the benefits of having someone from their company involved in forums like this. I don't do much with traps as 99.9% of the systems I work on are 1-pipe steam.

    Thanks for all you do @Sailah
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