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Is this good steam boiler piping?

JohnNY
JohnNY Member Posts: 3,305
edited November 2015 in THE MAIN WALL
Came across this yesterday in NJ.

My guys got called to service it and called in to say we'd better come and take a look.
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  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 16,369
    It's not only not good piping, it's awful piping. :'(

    Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.

  • KC_Jones
    KC_Jones Member Posts: 5,864

    2014 Weil Mclain EG-40
    EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Boiler Control
    Boiler pictures updated 2/21/15
  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 16,369
    I just noticed who posted this.

    @JohnnyNY why are you asking questions, knowing you I would've expected that to be ripped out 2 hours ago!

    Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.

  • Paul48
    Paul48 Member Posts: 4,469
    I can't figure that one out...That's not a picture of JohnNY as we know him.
  • JohnNY
    JohnNY Member Posts: 3,305
    It's in process. Proposal sent. Awaiting trigger-pulling.
    Do you think I want to be the last company who worked on this boiler as it is?
    Contact John "JohnNY" Cataneo, NYC Master Plumber, Lic 1784
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  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 17,498
    That's one of the older Crowns that was made by Dunkirk. I bet the installer was fuming that he had to pay for a 2-1/2x2" bushing....

    You can't fix stupid!
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
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  • GW
    GW Member Posts: 4,896
    Luv that boiler install!
    Gary Wilson
    Wilson Services, Inc
    Northampton, MA
    gary@wilsonph.com
  • DanHolohan
    DanHolohan Member, Moderator, Administrator Posts: 16,610
    But they got a good price.
    Retired and loving it.
  • EBEBRATT-Ed
    EBEBRATT-Ed Member Posts: 16,892
    I hope that's not an inspection tag on the gas pipe. The wiring looks just as bad
  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 16,369
    DanHolohan said:

    But they got a good price.

    Maybe, maybe not.

    Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.

    jonny88
  • DanHolohan
    DanHolohan Member, Moderator, Administrator Posts: 16,610
    ChrisJ said:

    DanHolohan said:

    But they got a good price.

    Maybe, maybe not.

    Good point. Especially when you have to pay twice.
    Retired and loving it.
  • jonny88
    jonny88 Member Posts: 1,139
    Dan why is it that they do not have tighter boiler control.My inspectors look for liner and LWCO.I have seen companies that remove the lwco after inspection and plug tee.This is on Long Island.I know you have given your life to the trade but do you ever see in the future maybe boiler licensing and annual inspections like they have in Italy.After all it is the homeowner who in my opinion is being taken advantage of.If money is a problem for them there is organisations that can help.
    Thanks for your work and btw HH over the last 2 months has been a great learning curve for a lot of us out their,I am sure you know the threads I am referring to.
    j a_2
  • jonny88
    jonny88 Member Posts: 1,139
    Hatt ,RTFM might me to complicated break it down for them.I wont give this pic a lol as some poor HO paid dearly for it in money and aggravation and will now pay dearly again.This installer should be held accountable
    j a_2
  • DanHolohan
    DanHolohan Member, Moderator, Administrator Posts: 16,610
    jonny88 said:

    Dan why is it that they do not have tighter boiler control.My inspectors look for liner and LWCO.I have seen companies that remove the lwco after inspection and plug tee.This is on Long Island.I know you have given your life to the trade but do you ever see in the future maybe boiler licensing and annual inspections like they have in Italy.After all it is the homeowner who in my opinion is being taken advantage of.If money is a problem for them there is organisations that can help.
    Thanks for your work and btw HH over the last 2 months has been a great learning curve for a lot of us out their,I am sure you know the threads I am referring to.

    Thanks for the kind words. I don't see such legislation coming unless the Long Island politicians can find a way to profit from it personally.
    Retired and loving it.
    unclejohn
  • wholesalerbill
    wholesalerbill Member Posts: 20
    Egads, and coppa pipng. Here's a pic of my boiler install. Done by the best. Gateway PLBG. & HTG. Drop header piping helps heat the house so much faster.
  • ChrisJ
    ChrisJ Member Posts: 16,369
    wholesalerbill said:

    Egads, and coppa pipng. Here's a pic of my boiler install. Done by the best. Gateway PLBG. & HTG. Drop header piping helps heat the house so much faster.

    @JohnNY What kind of dope do you use on your steam piping? I like how it blends in with the black pipe and fittings.

    Single pipe 392sqft system with an EG-40 rated for 325sqft and it's silent and balanced at all times.

  • JohnNY
    JohnNY Member Posts: 3,305
    My guys tend to use Pro Dope:
    http://www.oatey.com/doc/prodope.pdf
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  • alheim
    alheim Member Posts: 68
    I'll bite. What is so wrong here?
  • SteamedInWharton
    SteamedInWharton Member Posts: 62
    alheim said:

    I'll bite. What is so wrong here?

    Copper piping with no swing joints
    only a single side tapping is used. Both tappings should have been used.
    no real header, system risers should not be taken off vertically like that
    the equalizer is too high, it should be low enough to drain condensate from the header
    Steaming along slowly in Wharton, Morris County, NJ.
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 17,498
    edited November 2015
    In other words, everything!

    Here is the manual for that boiler, which was actually made by Dunkirk. Scroll down to the piping diagram to see what we mean:

    http://www.dunkirk.com/sites/default/files/3870.pdf
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
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