New rad: good fit?

vaporvac

Hello,
I hope someone can help me. I posted about my radiator issue a couple of times trying to make a decision for heat in my kitchen. I only have one space for a rad and it has to be wall mounted to fit behind a door 6" deep MAX! I'm currently "heating" with a toe-kick electric heater. The rad that was removed is this one in the post below, so I'd like something to match it's edr. I never got a definitive response on its edr....I had 39sq ft., but don't remember how I arrived at that. Gerry ID'd it as a "rococo".
http://forum.heatinghelp.com/discussion/149577/name-this-rad-and-help-me-with-its-edr#latest

Anyway, I'm considering this little metal one (21x24), but it's only 19.5 edr. That seems like a big difference ie 20sq ft. It's hard for me to imagine what that means in terms of comfort and ability to heat the whole room as I'd like to ditch the electric. Do I have any other options with steam? Is there anything that could go under my toe-kicks? any suggestions would be appreciated. I don't want to go to the trouble of HW loop at the moment or anything fancy. I just want to use the existing pipes.
http://steamradiators.com/pdf/charleston-radiator.pdf

Fred

19.5 EDR seems like that might work for a small bathroom. What size is the kitchen? Do you have the range on a lot? I would think you'd be better off with a cast iron wall hung radiator. My Kitchen is 12 ft. X 17 Ft, 5 windows, 1 door, buffered by an air lock, 10 ft. ceilings. It has one radiator, total of 54 EDR. Kitchen is north facing. It stays very comfortable, due in part to another radiator just outside the kitchen door into the center hall, so heat from both ends of the kitchen. I think it would still be reasonably well heated with just the 54 EDR but no way with something as small as 19.5 .

vaporvac

Hmmm.... interesting. Our kitchens are a similar size down to the airlock! I have one small unheated BP and one larger heated BP, but it doesn't do much to heat the kitchen. There's also a small rad in the back hall next to it, but most of that heat goes up the stairwell. The entire front wall is casement windows above the cabinets. It's South facing with a huge oak tree in front of it, and receives nice light in the early mid-afternoon in Winter.
As mentioned, I "think" the rad posted above is a 39edr window seat. That's what came out of this room. Originally the kitchen had a humongous gas stove with multiple pilots and a cook to man it all day, I suspect that added additional heat. I do have an old Chambers, but I don't keep the pilots lit at the moment. I cook a lot, but it doesn't seem to make much difference currently with the teensy electric baseboard heater. If I could get something better to go in the toekick space I wouldn't mind a smaller wall rad. I really need something narrow and tall, but in all my years of looking I haven't run across any used.

Fred

Have you considered maybe two wall hung rads, one mounted above the other? Another option might be rads in the floor, similar to the Poster in Ky. has. Probably would have to have a fan or something to move the air across the rads and blow it up into the kitchen.

KC_Jones

What about something custom? Gerry Gill made a custom one for this customer. Check the second set of pictures he posted.
http://forum.heatinghelp.com/discussion/151994/new-steam-mini-tube-installation-in-ohio/p1

vaporvac

Thanks for the replies! That's a good idea about stacked rads, but I don't know about the piping. I was hoping to use the original pipes. I saw that post with the hidden rads... very cool. Unfortunately, my floors are the original hundred yr old tile set in concrete and the basement ceilings are the original plaster/concrete in various stages of repair. It's the major reason I'm not considering a HW loop with floor radiant at this time. Perhaps in the future if it starts coming down.
I'll check out the Gerry's pics here in a sec. I recall someone made a rad for a bathroom. I'd never considered that option, but it may be the way to go.
Keep thinking guys... is there anything for a toe kick, steam or HW?

SWEI

Don't know what they're properly called, but I was thinking about 2-3 of those old square modular units (maybe 2' on a side) that they used to put on basement ceilings and occasionally stack into table-like cubes.

The Brits seem to have current options http://www.radiatorfactory.net/classic-wall-hung.html
http://www.radiatorfactory.net/2-column-vertical-offer.html
http://www.radiatorfactory.net/3-column-vertical-offer.html
http://www.radiatorfactory.net/charleston-vertical.html Zehnder has an office in NY I think.

http://www.theoldradiatorcompany.co.uk/ has photos of some truly gorgeous radiators.

ChicagoCooperator

Do you have a cabinet that a second small radiator could be retrofitted into? I've seen radiators underneath sink bases with open grill cabinet faces, though that might not really be the direction you want to go in.

PS you're cooking with the gas off with a Chambers, aren't you?

vr608

I have one of these in my kitchen, runs off my hot water loop. Not sure if this helps at all:

http://www.supplyhouse.com/Beacon-Morris-K84-K84-Kick-Space-Heater-4772000-p

Should definitely do the trick if you decide to add a loop off the boiler.