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Smith Cast Iron Boiler Leaking - Expert Wanted

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RichB
RichB Member Posts: 11
Hello All,

Looking for an expert with Smith Cast Iron Boilers, more specifically a Series 8 water with a manufacture date of '04, and in service date of winter '05/'06. Looking for someone to help me with the warrantee process, and its replacement. When facing the boiler it is leaking on the right side, above the fire box, between sections 2&3. I'm also toying with giving up on Smith and going to a Buderus or Viessman. I'm in the engineering / construction industry and as part of my responsibilities manage replacement of commercial/industrial HVAC systems, so I'm not your uneducated homeowner. Boiler is located in Putnam County, NY. (845) 216-5913

Thanks,
Rich

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  • GW
    GW Member Posts: 4,702
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    Rich, normally this is worked through the supply chain. Sometimes getting warranties processed is a pain, as you may already know. If you have had annual service your success rate increases quite dramatically. I don't have specific experience though with a leakin Smith series 8.
    Gary Wilson
    Wilson Services, Inc
    Northampton, MA
    gary@wilsonph.com
  • RichB
    RichB Member Posts: 11
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    Thanks Gary. It has been serviced annually, but by me. So I don't have invoices. I don't want Moe, Larry, or Curley touching my equipment!
  • Kakashi
    Kakashi Member Posts: 88
    edited February 2015
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    What kind of L.W.C.O. do you you have?

    I only ask that since its been code in my area since 2000.
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 16,899
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    That boiler uses gaskets between the sections instead of push nipples. Maybe one of these has failed?
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
  • RichB
    RichB Member Posts: 11
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    LWCO is a MM GuardDog RB-122
  • RichB
    RichB Member Posts: 11
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    Yes, per discussions with Smith, can be gasket or crack in casting. I asked Smith what type of failure is more prevalent, they said they see more cracks than bad gaskets
  • Paul48
    Paul48 Member Posts: 4,469
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    By the time you pay the labor to replace a section, you might as well replace the boiler. That goes for any boiler.
  • RichB
    RichB Member Posts: 11
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    From what Smith is telling me, they won't even do that, they only send the entire cube assembled
  • Abracadabra
    Abracadabra Member Posts: 1,948
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    RichB said:

    Yes, per discussions with Smith, can be gasket or crack in casting. I asked Smith what type of failure is more prevalent, they said they see more cracks than bad gaskets

    Uhm... I've replaced my fair share of Smith boilers, and in my humble opinion, I've seen more gasket failures than cracks. Once the gasket fails, the gasket seat and mating surfaces usually corrode to the point of no return. Trying to simply replace the leaking gaskets won't work at that point. Also, attempting to separate 15-20 year old sections can invite more leaks on sections that weren't leaking before. Like Paul48 said, might just be time to bite the bullet and throw in a new one. I wouldn't be happy with a 10 year life span on a boiler though.
  • Paul48
    Paul48 Member Posts: 4,469
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    So, you're essentially replacing the boiler. It's actually better that way.
  • SWEI
    SWEI Member Posts: 7,356
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    RichB said:

    From what Smith is telling me, they won't even do that, they only send the entire cube assembled

    Are they going to send an original Series 8 block or one of the "new" 8HE models?
  • RichB
    RichB Member Posts: 11
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    Smith's warrantee is based on 10 years, then they prorate it after that. I'm right at the 10th year. If I can get a new boiler through Smith under warrantee, I'll do that, but if I can't, I'm toying with going with another brand. And no, I'm not happy with a 10 year life at all.
  • Paul48
    Paul48 Member Posts: 4,469
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    So much for a lifetime warranty.
  • billtwocase
    billtwocase Member Posts: 2,385
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    Possibly a cold start boiler? If they will get you a new block, go for it. You will have to pay labor, and any other parts/fittings used. You will only get the remainder of the original warranty after that, and I would have the section bolts checked periodically for tightness. You can't beat push nippled boilers
  • RichB
    RichB Member Posts: 11
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    SWEI - Not sure what block it will be, long way from that!

    Bill2 - Yes, its a cold start setup. Any idea on the torque spec of the section bolts?
  • kcopp
    kcopp Member Posts: 4,443
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    Steam or Hot water?
  • RichB
    RichB Member Posts: 11
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    Hot water
  • SWEI
    SWEI Member Posts: 7,356
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    RichB said:

    SWEI - Not sure what block it will be, long way from that!

    They're totally different designs. I believe the 8HE is actually a repackaged Peerless.
  • kcopp
    kcopp Member Posts: 4,443
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    The Smith 8 now is TOTALY different from the unit they had then. Now its a Red peerless wbv.
    I had great luck w/ the Series 8's I installed. It was great as a steamer. My supplyhouse dropped the line....much to my chagrin. They had great representation here in NH.
    I still think a 3 Pass boiler on oil is the best way to go.
  • RichB
    RichB Member Posts: 11
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    kcopp - so who's 3 pass do you like?
  • billtwocase
    billtwocase Member Posts: 2,385
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    NH, I would say the blue boiler would be his 3 pass choice?
  • AlCorelliNY
    AlCorelliNY Member Posts: 63
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    I'm in Westchester. Where in Putnam are you?
    Al Corelli

  • RichB
    RichB Member Posts: 11
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    Mahopac / Carmel border, off Drewville Road
  • AlCorelliNY
    AlCorelliNY Member Posts: 63
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    Give me a call Monday.
    914-804-2234
    Al Corelli

  • billtwocase
    billtwocase Member Posts: 2,385
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    I think the Smith sections may still be made at Peerless in Penn?
  • kcopp
    kcopp Member Posts: 4,443
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    RichB said:

    kcopp - so who's 3 pass do you like?

    I do have a Buderus 115 in my own home... however the Biasi b10 , the Pure pro Trio, and Pensotti are fine boilers too.