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That's entertainment

I thought all you folks would find this, both the so-called article and comments posted to it, "entertaining:"

https://homes.yahoo.com/news/the-benefits-of-radiant-heat-are-invisible--and-that-s-a-good-thing-233857491.html

It seems you've got your work cut out for you. :(

Comments

  • Gordy
    Gordy Member Posts: 9,537
    Amazing what the fight has to be miss information.

    Even the responses some educated, some not, some half truths.

    The biggest wealth of information at our finger tips yet most people take what they stumble on as truth.
    Tinman
  • SWEI
    SWEI Member Posts: 7,356
    Took a while to read through the comments. I started to write a reply, but realized that it was going to be long and that most would never get to it given the number of silly replies. How hard is it to get Yahoo to simply post another article by a credible author?
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 15,773
    Here's one that echoes something I've been saying for years:

    "The Whole reason 99.9% of builders do not use radiant heat in buildings and homes is because if cost more money to install,thay do not care if a home buyer saves money on heat and confort,they only want to make fast quick money and make the homes as fast as they can,make them big and look like a Million Dollars and people buy into it. 100,200,300,400,thousand and up.who`s foolish? those building and selling or those paying life long payments?"
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
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    GordyKC_Jones
  • Gordy
    Gordy Member Posts: 9,537
    That and most people would rather have the eye candy.....sadly it's,what sells.
  • KC_Jones
    KC_Jones Member Posts: 5,359
    Gordy said:

    That and most people would rather have the eye candy.....sadly it's,what sells.

    I have a friend that just bought a 520k house and it uses heat pumps. @Steamhead He bought in Ellicott City, MD you probably know that area. He had gas 500 ft down the road and I tried to convince him, but even if he got gas the builder flat out refused to install any form of hydronic heating. It's got a stone front and granite countertops though. ;)
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    Boiler pictures updated 2/21/15
  • Docfletcher
    Docfletcher Member Posts: 483
    Perhaps Michael Franco should join in on the forum.
  • Tinman
    Tinman Member Posts: 2,797
    I stopped at "new technology", the first phrase of the first sentence. My time is too valuable.
    Steve Minnich
    kcopp
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 15,773
    KC_Jones said:

    Gordy said:

    That and most people would rather have the eye candy.....sadly it's,what sells.

    I have a friend that just bought a 520k house and it uses heat pumps. @Steamhead He bought in Ellicott City, MD you probably know that area. He had gas 500 ft down the road and I tried to convince him, but even if he got gas the builder flat out refused to install any form of hydronic heating. It's got a stone front and granite countertops though. ;)
    Have him get in touch with us. He sounds like a good candidate for a mini-tube steam system!

    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
  • KC_Jones
    KC_Jones Member Posts: 5,359
    LOL I would, but as with many people buying those houses in MD he is more worried about what it looks like than how it performs. He had a row house in the city that he had the radiators ripped out (hot water) in favor of forced air so he could have air conditioning. His first winter he realized his huge mistake. I used that argument with his new house, but he claims there was no choice. Everything I looked at had this...blah blah blah. We as homeowners have to stop accepting crap...am I sounding like a broken record yet? lol
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    EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Boiler Control
    Boiler pictures updated 2/21/15
  • FranklinD
    FranklinD Member Posts: 399
    I know what you mean. No builders around here will install it simply because they don't want the hassle of dealing with problems later. Which goes to show the quality of their installs.

    Ironically every one of them will claim that it is by far the best heat money can buy, and that most of them have hot water heat in their own homes. But they don't want to sell it to anyone. Makes a lot of sense. IMHO this is by far the perfect area for radiant. Well, for anything other than forcibly farced air. But you don't see it on any new builds.

    I have to try to find the article about our new animal shelter being built...they ended up deciding AGAINST radiant slab because "it'd be too hot for the animals". Seriously. I'm no expert, but I'd think that if the system was done properly, in a brand new building with modern insulation, pthe floor would probably never feel all that warm. So they're using forced air. It's a large, slab on grade, one story building. Insanity. Have fun paying that heating bill...with my taxes. D'oh.
    Ford Master Technician, "Tinkerer of Terror"
    Police & Fire Equipment Lead Mechanic, NW WI
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  • KC_Jones
    KC_Jones Member Posts: 5,359
    Quality of work...what's that? That same friend who bought the 520k house. The house is brand new, he and wife are first ones to live there. They had a house inspection anyway. The inspector wrote a 5 page write up of all the problems with the brand new house. They didn't even flash over the windows and doors?! So yeah he put in heat pumps and collected a big check. I am sick of builders. I know more people with garbage houses than I do with good houses. I am just fine living in my 100+ year old house. It's not perfect, but I expect that and I don't pay these ridiculous prices for junk. At least I have a nice steam heating system!
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    EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Boiler Control
    Boiler pictures updated 2/21/15
  • Gordy
    Gordy Member Posts: 9,537
    edited December 2014
    Lets face the facts a minute. Most prospective buyers are intimidated by the site of such a mechanical room for steam or hydronics. Most are use to maybe changing a furnace filter. The site of the hardware in a hydronics system is intimidating, and "looks like" work, and maintenance.

    A side from the air conditioning argument people freak out when the see gauges valves, and switches.
  • Mark Eatherton
    Mark Eatherton Member Posts: 5,839
    I had nothing to do for the last three hours, so I read all the comments and then I posted a Radiant Myth Busters response to all the misdirections going on. Nice catch Sal. There is NO shortage of bad information out there, and our job of education will NEVER end…

    ME
    It's not so much a case of "You got what you paid for", as it is a matter of "You DIDN'T get what you DIDN'T pay for, and you're NOT going to get what you thought you were in the way of comfort". Borrowed from Heatboy.
    kcopp
  • Sal Santamaura
    Sal Santamaura Member Posts: 460

    I had nothing to do for the last three hours, so I read all the comments and then I posted a Radiant Myth Busters response to all the misdirections going on. Nice catch Sal. There is NO shortage of bad information out there, and our job of education will NEVER end…

    ME

    Thanks Mark. I just went back to that page and expanded all 201 comments, then searched for yours. Couldn't find anything with your name, RPA, Radiant Myth Busters, etc. Either I've misunderstood and you posted elsewhere or they've deleted your post.
  • Mark Eatherton
    Mark Eatherton Member Posts: 5,839
    Well… I guess their excellent editors have decided to not post my submission.

    Don't know what to tell you other than our job of education will never end, and there is no shortage of ignorant people out there… Maybe I will reach out directly to the upper management at Yoohoo and let them know how bad their blog is… And then again, maybe not.
    It's not so much a case of "You got what you paid for", as it is a matter of "You DIDN'T get what you DIDN'T pay for, and you're NOT going to get what you thought you were in the way of comfort". Borrowed from Heatboy.
  • KC_Jones
    KC_Jones Member Posts: 5,359
    If people knew the truth the knuckleheads wouldn't be able to make money and that's just unamerican! How dare you try and educate people! If the sarcasm wasn't obvious I am pointing it out now. ;)
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    Boiler pictures updated 2/21/15
    Mark Eatherton
  • Condoman
    Condoman Member Posts: 88
    " Most are use to maybe changing a furnace filter"

    That I would like to see.
  • KC_Jones
    KC_Jones Member Posts: 5,359
    Condoman said:

    " Most are use to maybe changing a furnace filter"

    That I would like to see.

    They replace it when it's plugged up and the heat won't work anymore, or they call for service only to find it was just a furnace filter. By that theory of maintenance everyone should be installing electric baseboard heaters...I think those are pretty much the lowest maintenance there is. Of course I know people that have them and don't even keep them clean, then wonder what that burning smell is every winter. lol
    2014 Weil Mclain EG-40
    EcoSteam ES-20 Advanced Boiler Control
    Boiler pictures updated 2/21/15