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Steam System Rescue at the Baltimore Rescue Mission

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Steamhead
Steamhead Member Posts: 16,856
Earlier this year we were called for a no-heat at this mission, which shelters homeless people. What we found was a leaking Weil-McLain LGB-8, lots of asbestos, a condensate pump feeding into a boiler-feed pump and a bunch of rotted-out piping around the pumps. And there was no way to keep steam out of the tanks, so the boiler room had been a sauna for years. 
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Towson, MD, USA
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  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 16,856
    edited November 2013
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    We installed a W-M 7-80 and Carlin 301Gas

    and a whole bunch of Gorton #2 main vents, after the asbestos crew had done their thing. The new boiler has two 4" steam risers instead of just one on the old one, and a drop header, so we're making much dryer steam. A Vaporstat keeps the pressure low, and we went back to good old-fashioned gravity return.
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
  • MDNLansing
    MDNLansing Member Posts: 297
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    Nice Work

    I love seeing pictures of your work. I take away a little nugget of information each time. I do have a question though, this isn't criticism, it's a real question. Why don't you insulate the risers from the boiler? I see most pros don't and I haven't read anything about why not to do it yet. Is there a specific reason?
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 16,856
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    Yup

    someone else was doing that, and they ran out of 4-inch insulation.
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
  • Dave in QCA
    Dave in QCA Member Posts: 1,785
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    Looks Familiar!

    Steamhead, another beautiful install! I am happy to see how much it resembles my 680 install last year. It was a fantastic install by "boiler wrestler", who reads this forum and occasionally comments.



    Just for comparison,

    https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.502972719744401.109158.142994895742187&type=1
    Dave in Quad Cities, America
    Weil-McLain 680 with Riello 2-stage burner, December 2012. Firing rate=375MBH Low, 690MBH Hi.
    System = Early Dunham 2-pipe Vacuo-Vapor (inlet and outlet both at bottom of radiators) Traps are Dunham #2 rebuilt w. Barnes-Jones Cage Units, Dunham-Bush 1E, Mepco 1E, and Armstrong TS-2. All valves haveTunstall orifices sized at 8 oz.
    Current connected load EDR= 1,259 sq ft, Original system EDR = 2,100 sq ft Vaporstat, 13 oz cutout, 4 oz cutin - Temp. control Tekmar 279.
    http://grandviewdavenport.com
  • Gordo
    Gordo Member Posts: 857
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    On The W-M 80 series Boilers...

    The instructions call for the pressure control tree to be mounted from a tapping on the front of the boiler.



    We think that is radically unsound!



    It is too close to the waterline and the 1/2" pipe and fittings supplied are more likely to get filled with rust and sludge rendering the controls inoperative.



    As an aside, Washington D.C. codes require all steam piping 1" and under to be sch. 40 brass!  That may be going a bit far, and it still does not answer the issue of sludge.



    We therefore mount the  pressure controls off of a top tapping and above the active waterline.
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    "Reducing our country's energy consumption, one system at a time"
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Baltimore, MD (USA) and consulting anywhere.
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  • Dave in QCA
    Dave in QCA Member Posts: 1,785
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    Good Point

    You make a good point. Mine was installed according to WM guidelines. The installer left a capped nipple at the side of the tree so that I can flush it out, as it did this fall prior to start up. I am thinking about installing a ball valve to make it easier. I have heard that some inspectors require a valve so that the control tree can be blown down.
    Dave in Quad Cities, America
    Weil-McLain 680 with Riello 2-stage burner, December 2012. Firing rate=375MBH Low, 690MBH Hi.
    System = Early Dunham 2-pipe Vacuo-Vapor (inlet and outlet both at bottom of radiators) Traps are Dunham #2 rebuilt w. Barnes-Jones Cage Units, Dunham-Bush 1E, Mepco 1E, and Armstrong TS-2. All valves haveTunstall orifices sized at 8 oz.
    Current connected load EDR= 1,259 sq ft, Original system EDR = 2,100 sq ft Vaporstat, 13 oz cutout, 4 oz cutin - Temp. control Tekmar 279.
    http://grandviewdavenport.com
  • Steve_175
    Steve_175 Member Posts: 238
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    Drop Header Q

    I have seen some instances on this site where the drop headers dimensions were increased relative to the risers to help facilitate dry steam. Do you think that is overkill, a good idea, or does it depend on the circumstances?



    A good story for a good cause BTW.
  • gerry gill
    gerry gill Member Posts: 3,078
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    Nice job Frank!

    looks like a tight place to work! Your not a spring chicken anymore either, how are you getting the boiler sections down into the dungeons? got any young bucks helping?
    gwgillplumbingandheating.com
    Serving Cleveland's eastern suburbs from Cleveland Heights down to Cuyahoga Falls.

  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 16,856
    edited November 2013
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    The delivery crew

    from Ferguson's has a stair climber so they took the sections in. Earlier we had disconnected the old boiler for a group of volunteers to remove. They scrapped the old boiler and I believe gave the proceeds to the Mission.
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 16,856
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    Depends

    this one goes into what was the header for an old boiler that was there before the LGB. It's 5-inch, so it slows the velocity even more. We call this the "doubleheader" hookup.
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
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