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Cold water Inlet Checks on Noritz WH:

icesailor
icesailor Member Posts: 7,265
I'm installing a Noritz instantaneous gas water heater. I always use the Noritz made supply kit. My supplier has now started carrying a Watts model. It has a check valve on the cold water inlet. I don't personally like the restriction and I don't see the need for it.

What is the consensus here on the Check Valve?

I'm using a buffer/storage tank and there will be a check on the circulator.

Comments

  • Mark Eatherton
    Mark Eatherton Member Posts: 5,839
    Why check it at all?

    I've often questioned why it is that people put check valves on the cold water inlet to any water heater for potable water heating.



    What's the reason? Code requires (here in CO) a vacuum breaker on the cold water inlet, but to the best of my knowledge, none of the codes require a check valve on the cold water inlet to any potable water heating system.



    With you adding a storage tank to the mix, it will definitely change the expansion characteristics, which have to be accounted for in the way of a potable water expansion tank, but if it were a true tankless system, an expansion tank is a waste of time and money. The water is only being heated if there is a draw, which means its not a closed system.



    In most cases where I see a check on the cold inlet to the tank, there is also a circulation return pump, and I think maybe the installing plumber is worried about the circulation return pump forcing hot water backwards into the cold water main, thereby ending up with hot water where only cold water should be.



    Bunk.



    In order to that to happen, there would have to be a cross connection that would allow the movement of water between the source and the point of distribution. I have NEVER installed a check on the cold water inlet (other than for controlling unwanted back flow in the C.R. line) and I have NEVER had ANY issues with unwanted flows.



    I think it is one of those myths that got perpetuated but have never been proven. But as always, I try and keep an open mind, and am willing to look at it through someone else's eyes and field experience.



    ME
    It's not so much a case of "You got what you paid for", as it is a matter of "You DIDN'T get what you DIDN'T pay for, and you're NOT going to get what you thought you were in the way of comfort". Borrowed from Heatboy.
  • Paul48
    Paul48 Member Posts: 4,469
    edited July 2012
    Bounce?

    Not sure if that is what it's called, but I've heard of units firing then shutting down every time cold water only is run.It sees the tiny reverse flow.
  • HDE
    HDE Member Posts: 225
    edited July 2012
    Correct

    Paul nailed it



    When flow of cold is experienced resulting in pressure drop of cold side piping, water can back feed through tankless unit(s). Resulting in a nusiance fan operation at the least or a spike in hot water temps after pressure rises feeding back through tankless.
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