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kcopp
kcopp Member Posts: 4,473
in Strictly Steam
a Steamer swap out. The JOT boiler w/ a tankless cracked and is done.

 Customer is interested in Going to Nat Gas... Since it is just about impossible to have a conventional gas steamer w/o and tankless and the customer wants to save some energy w/ a Tankless  water heater I am now curious to what to recommend for a ignition for the Boiler Spark or Pilot... ? The boiler sitting all summer w/o any heat  and possibly condensing or gas savings w/o the spark/ HSI... thoughts?

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  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 17,404
    edited August 2011
    Why not

    a wet-base power-burner unit with an indirect? That would get around the summer-shutdown issue and be more efficient than an atmospheric, or any boiler with a coil. 



    Here's one such installation we did:



    http://www.heatinghelp.com/forum-thread/132567/One-of-the-worst-maintained-oil-fired-boilers-weve-seen
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
  • Al Letellier_21
    Al Letellier_21 Member Posts: 402
    good steamer conversion combo

    Kevin, I agree with Steamhead on this one. We have been very successful with a Weil SGO fired with a Riello gas burner and an indirect.....great combo and OK with Weil...saves a lot of energy and keeps that boiler warm all summer. Highly recommended swap out set up.
  • kcopp
    kcopp Member Posts: 4,473
    Sounds great.....

    but I am concerned about pricing the job out of the competitive range. The home has only one bathroom. Between the indirect ( the price on these things is way up.) and a bronze 3 pc circ that is a lot more than a good quality tankless.
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 17,404
    edited August 2011
    Then

    order the boiler with a coil and add a storage tank ("Aquabooster"). This way you can use a wet-rotor (but still bronze or stainless) circ, and the boiler won't have to stay hot unless the tank calls. The downside is that it won't deliver as much hot water as an indirect, but that might not be a problem with only one bathroom. You might want to use a delay-on-break relay for the circ, to scavenge more heat from the boiler that might otherwise go up the chimney.



    And you avoid the reliability problems we've seen on some tankless setups.



    "Icesailor"  has had success with this setup, but I'm not sure how big the houses are where he's used it. Maybe he'll chime in?
    All Steamed Up, Inc.
    Towson, MD, USA
    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists
    Oil & Gas Burner Service
    Consulting
  • bovide_4
    bovide_4 Member Posts: 161
    Weil Mc Lain SGO

    I did not know it was OK with Weil Mc Lain to use a gas burner with an SGO. That is great news, since HB Smith is not readily available in my area. How is the noise level?
  • Al Letellier_21
    Al Letellier_21 Member Posts: 402
    steamer conversion

    Weil has no issue with warrantee on the boiler if properly installed and piped...that goes for the burner as well....sound level with Riello in the SGO is extremely quiet....have a couple dozen installed over the last few years and NO issues.

    Great combo in my book.
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