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Tools used by Dead Men

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Luv'nsteam
Luv'nsteam Member Posts: 278
What tools did The Dead Men use to assemble the steel pipes and cast fittings without marring them?



Thanks,

Mike

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  • EricAune
    EricAune Member Posts: 432
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    After just a few short years....

    Their bare hands!  Oh the meat hooks those guys must have had.  We got it made!

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  • bob_46
    bob_46 Member Posts: 813
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    Knowledge

    They would always three point their wrench.

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  • mars_6
    mars_6 Member Posts: 107
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    Please explain three point

    This term I have never heard, three point there wrenches. could you please explain. thanks Matt R

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  • Luv'nsteam
    Luv'nsteam Member Posts: 278
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    Knowledge

    Would you elaborate on what it means to "three point the wrench"? 



    Thanks!

    Mike
  • Lyle {pheloa} Carter
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    Tools

    One of the best I've seen was the parmalee wrench and they are still in business here's a link.  

    [url=http://www.parmeleewrench.com/]http://www.parmeleewrench.com/
  • nicholas bonham-carter
    nicholas bonham-carter Member Posts: 8,578
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    old tools

    does this count as an old enough tool?--nbc
  • bob_46
    bob_46 Member Posts: 813
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    Three Point

    You adjust the jaws of a pipe wrench so that the jaws touch the pipe or fitting at three

    places. The top of the jaw the bottom and the BACK. A wrench adjusted so that it only

    contacts the work in two places tries to crush the work.

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  • Al Letellier_21
    Al Letellier_21 Member Posts: 402
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    dead man tools

    I have a lot of old tools from dad and granda and great granddad who were all plumbers and amoungs those tools is a set of what looks like clamp on tools if various sizes for tightening brass pipe. Works like a big oil filter wrench or a rubber strap wrench....just clamp on the right size smooth "jaws" and they tighten as the pressure on the handle increases. Just flip the handle and you can loosen the joint. Neat stuff......don't know about the fittings though.
  • Here`s a few,,,

    lying around,,,,,
  • Luv'nsteam
    Luv'nsteam Member Posts: 278
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    Tools used by Dead Men

    Does anyone have any recommendations on tools available today that will securely hold & tighten pipe and cast fittings without marring them?  (Other than a Parmelee wrench, these may do the trick but they are not inexpensive). 



    Thanks,

    Mike
  • Are you speaking-of,,,

    chrome/brass plated finishes?,,,,,,, perhaps strap wrenches will do the trick?
  • Luv'nsteam
    Luv'nsteam Member Posts: 278
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    Tools used by Dead Men

    Just steel pipe and cast fittings.  I have pipe wrenches aplenty: one is 36" long.  Not much argues successfully with this bad boy.  However, it seriously damages the surface and I simply do not like that.  There are no damaged parts of ANY of my system by the original installers.  I would like to maintain the same level of quality with my repairs and upgrades.



    Thanks,

    Mike
  • Luv'nsteam
    Luv'nsteam Member Posts: 278
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    Strap wrenches

    Forgot to mention all of my strap wrenches are garbage.  They were name brands and cost plenty.  However, they broke easily with little input effort.  If you know of a QUALITY strap wrench maker, I will look into it, as strap wrenches do not mar the surface. 



    Thanks,

    Mike
  • Unknown
    edited October 2009
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    steel pipe and cast fittings

    If your doing regular-type steel pipefitting and worried about "wrench-marks" you may be SOL!

    I know of no-other way to tighten/loosen standard pipe fittings other than a pipewrench. Look closely,, old-time wrench marks are there.



    Apply them carefully, and you wont get many marks!



    Perhaps you`re being too picky,, or the jaws require replacement?



    Chain-wrenches were common, but these leave marks too.



    Strap-wrenches have their place,, but not for this application.
  • pipe wrenches aplenty: one is 36" long.

    Ever try a 48" or 60"?,,,,,, even a compound?



    Even my guy "Rambo" shutters at these!  ;-)
  • Luv'nsteam
    Luv'nsteam Member Posts: 278
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    System assembly tools

    So, again I ask, how did The Dead Men do it?  There are NO marks at all on my roughly 100 year old system.  How did they accomplish this??



    Thanks,

    Mike
  • Well, my guess would be,,,

    that back then fittings were made to much more exacting quality standards,, and red-lead was the pipe-dope of many heating men. This would lead to less "warp" tightening,, but not loosening.



    An impossibility today, given the fittings we now have to work with. :-)
  • Larry Weingarten
    Larry Weingarten Member Posts: 3,385
    edited October 2009
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    Parmelee wrenches...

    ... come up periodically on Ebay without a threatening price.  Monkey wrenches used to be common.  I can imagine most of the time their flat jaws could go on a fitting on the end of the pipe being tightened.  This way you have no marks on the pipe and little on the fitting if it's a 90 or "T".  I've used that trick when a pretty pipe was needed, but am still a live man   :~)



    Yours,  Larry
  • Steamhead
    Steamhead Member Posts: 17,000
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    Nope

    cause they still make them! ;-)
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  • gerry gill
    gerry gill Member Posts: 3,078
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    My chain tongs don't leave marks

    but crap, thats a heavy wrench and it only seems to work on pipe, not fittings..course the cast doesn't really show the marks like steel does..
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    Serving Cleveland's eastern suburbs from Cleveland Heights down to Cuyahoga Falls.

  • Luv'nsteam
    Luv'nsteam Member Posts: 278
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    Chain tongs

    Unlike the Parmellee wrench, the chain tongs appear to fit a range of pipe diameters.  Just doing a quick search for chain tongs and it is a little overwhelming.  The Titan brand seems to be the most regarded, however, there are several brands (or appear to be- they could be one brand with different names on them).  So, any suggestions on brands to choose or to avoid? 



    Thank you,

    Mike
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