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Best 120,000 BTU Condensing Boiler for Brooklyn NY?

tim smith
tim smith Member Posts: 2,743
I would venture to say that the 2 zone configuration you have now would not need to be pri/secondary piping w/ the prestige 110 boiler. Not true of all other boilers. But if you are going to add further zones later, do not overzone your system and if flow rates can be maintained w/ proper sized zones you will be able to stay away from pri/secondary which would be preferable. Even though the boiler comes with pump, it's a inexpensive pump so changing to an Eco pump "could" be still beneficial at not a great cost & minimal loss of not using supplied pump. But it will work for you most likely. The installer just needs to verify that he can get flow through circuits for minimum flow requirement for boiler. Good luck, Tim

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  • Stevan Early
    Stevan Early Member Posts: 5
    Best 120,000 BTU Condensing Boiler for Brooklyn NY?

    Shopping for new boiler for townhouse undergoing major renovation in Brooklyn, NY to feed mainly h/w radiators (new) and also small radiant zone (all new). House is large (5 story) and even with improved windows, insulation etc the preliminary calculations show we need about 120,000 btu (blower door etc done). Fuel is natural gas. We want high efficiency condensing boiler. What's best? Contractor/architect favor Weil McClain Ultra and Munchkin Contender but I notice the on line reviews are not good. I see many happy notes on Buderus and Viessman, but their AFUEs seem to be only in the mid-80s. Thanks!!!
  • tim smith
    tim smith Member Posts: 2,743
    Best bang for the buck, great boiler, reliable, 92 afue

    Triangle tube prestige solo 110. Should fit the bill. I have used them for 4 years now and no problems. Tim
  • Mark Custis
    Mark Custis Member Posts: 539
    There is no BEST

    Do you want a con or a mod/con?

    Do you want to add solar?
  • Stevan Early
    Stevan Early Member Posts: 5


    Thank you for the quick response! I don't know what con and mod/con mean. Yes we are indeed looking at adding solar thermal -- but perhaps not immediately (because we hvae not found installer). I should have mentioned this will also heat water for domestic use.
  • Stevan Early
    Stevan Early Member Posts: 5


    Thanks!
  • tim smith
    tim smith Member Posts: 2,743
    Maybe talk to Triple Crown plumbing & heating in I think

    brooklyn area. Just a thought, Tim
  • Mark Custis
    Mark Custis Member Posts: 539
    Out of the way

    I am in Cleveland so you are out of my area.

    I am sure someone posts here from your neighborhood.

    A con or condensing boiler is built to allow low return water tempuratures and have the flue gases, (products of combustion), condense, with out rusting the damn thing out.

    A mod/con, is a modulating/condensing unit that changes its BTUH out-put to match an engineer's dream. Like the "gas" pedal in a hyghbred car.

    There is a new product out by a good manufacturer that combines a mod/con boiler with a stainless steel tank. The up side is they added a solar DWH capable loop in the bottom. Two toys for the price of one and a half.

    Some mod/cons come with free DHW loops.

    They make heat exchangers to keep drinking water and boiler water seperate.

    You are at the right place and have the right thinking to live for free in NYC. LOL
  • Stevan Early
    Stevan Early Member Posts: 5
    Thanks

    Yes-- not much chance of getting off the grid here, but we can dream.
  • Mark Custis
    Mark Custis Member Posts: 539
    Off Grid is for those with out a grid

  • Mark Custis
    Mark Custis Member Posts: 539
    Off Grid is for those with out a grid

    Unless you are on the space station or nowhere pacific ocean, the guys who own the grid are going to want a piece of you(r). Why fight it? I design to use "them" as the back up.

    I lied. I did a lake erie sail boat to do the oceans. Saw the guy three years later and all he had added besides my two 12 vdc marine batteries was a solar charger. Laptops, aircards all off satilite links, for FREE.

    Google, "Mother Earth News", this is not new stuff. I was learning how to heat a Roman Bath House here yesterday.

    For me moving to nowhere is not an opption. So I will think things up and give them away until you bury me.

    Take what you can get. I am not a tree hugger, just a boy scout, who is trying to leave his camp site cleaner than he found it.

    Good luck.

    Warm regards,

    Mark
  • JohnNY
    JohnNY Member Posts: 3,226
    Recent Brooklyn installation:

    Here is a twin Triangle Tube installation I just finished up in Brooklyn. This pic doesn't show the flue piping, but you'll get the idea.

    The boilers are remarkably quiet and efficient.

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  • Rick_87
    Rick_87 Member Posts: 21
    Wow! Nice Job!

    Are those Wilo Pumps? I sold Triangle Tube for several years, never heard of one problem. Great boiler and very cost efficient. Once again, nice job...

    Rick
  • tim smith
    tim smith Member Posts: 2,743
    John, the 399s are nice boiler eh. I really like them for our

    commercial jobs. Multiples are good fits for most we see. Nice job by the way. On above reply, I was going to mention you besides triple crown but did not know the name of your Co. Tim
  • Stevan Early
    Stevan Early Member Posts: 5
    Thanks!

    I'll give you a ring.
  • JohnNY
    JohnNY Member Posts: 3,226
    Thanks, guys.

    I really like this install, if I do say so myself.
    It works great and is such a night-and-day improvement over the giant mess that was there.

    The pumps are actually Taco products.
    Wilo is not well-represented in my area and quite honestly, I enjoy the fact that I am recognized by the Taco company's president on both a friendly and professional level.

    I hope I get to use the Triangle Tube boilers again soon. They're such a smart and simple design.

    My only issue with them is the fact that each of these boilers has a different version of the control software.
    So each boiler has its own error and programming codes and I need to keep two manuals on site.

    When my control guy (Alex "Wire Nut" Marx) complained to the rep, they offered to sell us a new control.

    I guess they realize that a busy plumbing and heating company has to pick its battles at the start of fall.


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  • solo 110 does not do 120kBTUs/hr. the solo 175 would be needed for this.
  • jp_2
    jp_2 Member Posts: 1,935
    ?????

    i was off the grid when the grid was only 600ft away!

    nobody put a cable to my head.
  • Robert O'Brien
    Robert O'Brien Member Posts: 3,538
    Mod/Con Boiler

    Need some help with boiler selection. HVAC contractor wants to install Burnham Freedom 120 but will take a month to get one from his supplier. Most of the HVAC guys in the area install just a handful of boilers each year so in-depth knowledge is hard to find. Originally I wanted to go with TT Prestige but the HVAC Co wasn't familiar with them and said parts would be hard to get. Serveral others have recommended TT. Suggestions???

    Also, for my education:

    1) Why would you want to use zone valve control vs. zone pump control
    2) When would a zone value control module be needed?
    3) Assume the larger circulating pump is eliminated if you use individual zone pumps?

    Thanks for any comments that will assist me with making a smart decision.
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  • tim smith
    tim smith Member Posts: 2,743
    Parts hard to find???? Triangle is in Blackwood NJ

    So I think not. Also in the last 3 yrs we have not had to replace a single part so not as likely also. May I suggest you purchase a couple select maintenance parts with the boiler and then you will have hopefully the items that may be needed. Also I think once your local guy's use this boiler they will use more and then stock parts I would hope. Good luck, Tim
    Regarding zone valves & pumps, how many zones are in the house? May want to consider a Wilo Eco variable speed pump w/ zone valves for system pump and use a zone panel for switching zones. Good way to go in my opinion, although to date zone pumps have been more our style but now with the variable speed pumps available I think we are going to switch.
  • Mike C_10
    Mike C_10 Member Posts: 1
    They seem to like the Munchkin and Burnham.

    I just don't want to make a bad decision. I've seen good and bad posts about many mod/cons but TT seems to be highly regarded by most.

    I have 1 zone up and 1 zone down. The downstairs zone splits into 3 loops all controlled by a single valve. They are short loops with each basically servicing individual rooms. We are adding on in the future so there will be several new zones at some point. Doesn't the TT come with a pump? So if I keep the current zone value setup is a variable speed pump required?

    Thanks for your help!
  • Mad Dog_2
    Mad Dog_2 Member Posts: 6,744
    If you are looking for TOP NOTCH...IN BROOKLYN

    speak to John at Gateway. That job is magazine-worthy.....Mad Dog

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  • tim smith
    tim smith Member Posts: 2,743
    Rob, I was just saying that if the #s are good enough that the

    110 may do the trick.. Of course the 175 will do but if the 110 makes the actual heat loss it would be a much better system. They need to verify load definately. Tim
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