help with hydronic design

Norm Harvey

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Jim_88

design help

I've been looking for a web site or hardcopy publication that gives step-by-step detailed instructions on hydronic system design, from heat loss calculation to piping design and component selection process to control specification and hardware for residential systems. There is so much on the web, even this site (and the books suggested and/or written by Mr. Holohan), that gives very valuable design information, but everything is lacking the very detailed design info I'm looking for. The boiler manufacturer's sites have good info, but they often, like stuff from this site, skip or omit information.

Timco

In other words, you are looking for a pro but don't want to pay for one? What you are asking for is typically charged for...for good reason. No two systems ar alike.

Vinnie Smedick_3

I agree with Timco. 4 years of technical high school, over 100 seminars, well over 60 books read and 25 years experience. You are looking for a do-it-yourself book. Are you looking for the proper way to run the pipes? What size hole should you drill through the joists? How much flux and solder to use on the fittings? How much baseboard can you put up for 3/4" pipe? You didn't state specifics, Just that no-one has what you are looking for. Try the yellow pages. I guess maybe heating guys are worth what they charge.

Brad White_202

To paraphrase JFK.....

"We do not do HVAC because it is easy.... but because it is haaahhd."

Supply House Rick

Brad

That's what she said...

Jim_88

I have absolutely no idea why you sound so hostile: "looking for a pro but don't want to pay for one"???? -

I'm looking to install a multi-zone radiant (possibly a stapple-up system) with in-direct domestic water heating using a mod-cod boiler. And in one room I'll need additional heat, via baseboard or radiant panel, since it's a sun room and the heat loss is too great for the amount of floor I have. And it would be nice if I could find a single-source publication that shows me the ins-and-outs of this process. And that's what I'm "looking for"- the book that shows me how to do this, so I "can pay for one".

Timco

Re-read your original request. You want a single publication that covers everything a pro has learned in 15+ years of in the field experience. I laugh just thinking about how to compile this info so as to get all of it in one book. How about "I am looking for a single publication that deals with the design and construction of every single car on the road" or "a single publication that deals with all types of surgery, disease, and ailments and the associated complications". If you want hydronics principals, read Sigenthallers "Modern Hydronic Heating" found in the online store, but even that will not describe every scenario. You need a human being (a good one) for what you seek...not a book. It is nearly insulting to say you want to know everything a pro knows with one good read. Just that statement says you have no respect for what it takes to do this work...just pipes in a certain order, right? Lives are at risk with every install, and you did not even mention venting or gas piping. Please read other posts...others agree.

Tim

tim smith

I think that Tim's response to a question from Jim might

have been a little harsh. Sure we have spent yrs and yrs learning our trade, sure it might be a question that can't be answered in a book for Jim. So maybe it would be best if we said just that to Jim. Maybe he does not want to or can't afford to hire a pro. How many times have you dabbled in things around the house or on your car that a "PRO" has spent yrs learning?? I think if you looked at it that way, Jim is just trying to learn and do what he can. We should not put ourselves off as elitist's here, we should do what we can to teach and to learn here. That is my opinion, Tim

jp_2

siggy's book

should tell him everything he needs to know.

Timco

Agreed, and my apologies. I have been criticized for giving step by step instructions on getting a steamer fired after flooding or purging a system. This request is not for sizing a circ, but the entire system design and layout and engineering. If a specific question is offered, I am very glad to help but do not think he can find what he is seeking in one book...

Tim