Global Warming Impact Report from NOAA (ME)

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I don't know if anyone else saw this. It will open your eyes. What humorist/columnist Art Buchwald said right before his death keeps ringing in my ears. When asked by a N.Y. Times reporter, "What are you going to miss the most on Earth once you've gone to the other side?" he replied "Global Warming! I want to see what all of you people are going to do!"

Get ready for some very interesting times indeed...

Here's the link to the PDF in case my attachment does not work.

http://downloads.climatescience.gov/sap/sap3-3/sap3-3-final-all.pdf

ME

Ross_7

But?

Will we respond as individuals or have to be forced by mandates? Seems like the status quo has been profitable to some and special interest groups will downplay the NOAA findings as fuzzy science.

We live in a bottom line society where profit is put before quality of life. I personally feel we can have both as caring for our envirnment will create opportunities, new ways of doing things in concert with nature instead of in conflict with nature.

The good news is that we have come a long way despite the neglect. I remember the acrid smell in our little town (Ashland WI) in the early 60s as almost everyone burned coal. That has changed due to cleaner fuels. I remember swimming in Lake Superior as a kid only to get covered with the residue from the paper mill (this has changed due to the Clean Water Act)

We are a nation bombarded by forces to consume. We are starting to evolve into a culture of awareness and positive response. While most response takes place after our pocketbooks are hit (ex: high gas prices etc) response also can result from knowledge and caring.

Those of us with grandkids and fears about their future, have got to take the lead in change that will improve the environment and everyone's quality of life!

Thanks for the read!

Rich

jp_2

But is right!

science is FUZZY. too many people believe science is exact, science is nothing more than close "approximations".

global warming has a strong fear factor pushing it. lots of pressure to agree with it. the same people who hate G. Bushes comment "you are with us or you are against us" end up saying the same thing about global warming.

I believe in every action has a reaction. we have been producing large amounts of CO2 for 60 some years. can't change that fact overnight.

Ross_7

I guess

That makes it ok then to go about business as usual? We are far beyond the proactive stage and are just starting to react to realities. Fear or facts?

Nick W

Here is a web site that publishes opposing views:

http://icecap.us/

Steamhead (in transit)

Interesting point, Rich

The kind of regulations found in places like Germany wouldn't fly here. In Germany, if you don't maintain your boiler so it meets government standards, they can forcibly enter your house and take the boiler away. I can see the reaction to that here... open revolt. Even in American cities where vehicle-emissions testing is required, they don't confiscate the vehicle if it fails.

You're right, people look at their bottom line first. The best way I've found to sell upgrades is to drive home what's in it for the owners. Even if we don't replace the old boiler, a burner upgrade will save X amount, main vents X amount and so on. Then we follow up and see how much less fuel people are using, and use these figures to sell the next upgrade.

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jp_2

who said that?

business as usual?

my full size truck gets twice the mileage as its 70's brother.
what was the efficiency of boilers back in the 70's?

wall thickness in my area has gone from 2x4 to 2x6.

we are slow to change but change is happening.

steamhead, how could you force low income people to up grade or maintain their sytems when they have trouble buying food?

we have the capability to surpass europe, trying to be like europe is being short sighted.

Steamhead (in transit)

Read it again, JP

I was saying those tactics would NOT work here. But since you mentioned it, people at that economic level often don't own their houses, they rent them from landlords who don't want to spend any money and aren't paying the fuel bill.

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EJW_3

Global Warming




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozO4YB98mCY

francis dunlop

radiant heat

personally i THINK THAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T CARE about polar bears.

Bob Sweet

Would revolt be

the right thing to do? I'm not sure what your position on this is should we confiscate peoples vehicles?

Seen the price of gasoline in Europe lately? Thats what Government subsidies will do for you. Leave to the Government to regulate everything and Europe might not look so good when it's over.

People AND Governments looks at the bottom line first a la "they can forcibly enter your house and take the boiler away".

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jp_2

depends steamhead

your from the city right? I'd agree, but I'm pretty deep in the rural area, and out there its very few rental and people kind of live in owned shacks.

Steamhead (in transit)

That's right

I'm in Baltimore so that's what I see. How would they react to "boiler police" out your way?

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Leo G_101

and the screw turns again

great article in the financial post up here in the frozen north.

( http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=552919)

seems the sun may be entering a phase of no sun spots. (go to solarcycle24.com to see pics of an unblemished sphere) it has been well documented that when the sun goes into its' spotless phase, the earth cools quite significantily.

as my son said, "i guess we should start driving more, to keep the temperature up!"

L. G.

Steamhead (in transit)

People would likely react

the same way as if the government confiscated their vehicles for failing emissions testing. They would revolt. You'll find very few people in America who want the government to have that kind of power.



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Bob Sweet

Agreed,

do I hear Boston Tea Party?

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Darrell

Better start...about 2/3's of North America's gas/oil that is develpeable for market is currently held hostage by the people that got them listed as a threatened species...even though they are increasing in numbers. Better start caring about wht these people are doing in the name of polar bears and junk science.

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Jeff Lawrence_25

I had planned

On staying out of this debate.

Here's a link I've posted before. It tells of the cycle that the earth and sun goes through.

link

I have no idea how true or false it is, but it is a compelling argument.

Sometimes I wonder about things like this. For example, if we truly found a cure for cancer, even one form of cancer, would it be made available to the public or would it be kept quiet because of all the funding that goes into cancer research? A lot of people would lose their employment...

I don't see any black helicopters (yet) and haven't gotten out the aluminum foil to make me another hat (yet) so that they can't read my thoughts. Should I?

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Fire...

Over 800 individual blazes started by a weekend lightining storm with over 8,000 lighting strikes have central and northern California ablaze...

The "perfect storm"?

Record flooding in the mid-west causing 100 year breaches all along the mighty Mississippi.

And then there's pestulence. There is a bug callled the Pine Bark Beetle. It is predicted that it will completely devestate the lodge pole forests in the next 5 years. I am already seeing and experiencing the effects of this, and it is definately a side effect of global warming. It hasn't gotten cold enough during the last 10 winters to kill off the beetle larvae, hence they are ramapant.

The sad thing about this situation is that the lodge pole pine seed cone will not germinate unless exposed to fire. Everyone is running scared, not wanting a forest fire. It's not something I'd wish on anyone, but if we don't have a fire, it will completely change the appearance of the mountains. Imagine if you will, a mountain with no pine trees on it in the mountains of Colorado and the Rocky Mountain States from northern Canada to Northern Mexico.

I say let 'er burn. If you haven't done required fire line mitigation around your home, you are at risk of losing your property anyway...

Regardless of what it is that you believe is causing it, it IS here, and we had better learn to deal with it.

My thoughts are that man has little to do with it. I think it is a natural cycle that would have occured regardless of wether man was on the face of this planet or not.

That said, I think we all have an obligation to conserve ALL of our resources, in good times and in bad. Regardless of what the environment is going to do.

Here are some pictures of the red tide that is working it's way through the forest of Colorado...

UUUGGGGGLlllly.

ME

jp_2

fires

think how large the forest fires were 150 years ago when no body tried to stop them? must have been a lot of CO2 when a fire is 100's of square miles in size.

Roland_15

Global Warming

A thousand years from now, all this wringing of hands and expectorating, won't make one iota of difference.

The human race is but the merest blip on the cosmic radar. How many species have come before us? Millions, perhaps? If you are a believer in the planets' historical record, there have been many global extinctions. Be it big rocks falling from the sky, monstrous volcanos or periodic ice ages. Great for winter sports but not so good for growing food.

Look at lower forms of life. Ants, for instance. If they detect a fundamental change in their neighborhood, they don't stand around and debate the issue, they get the hell out!

My feeling about the Human animal is that we have an innate knowlege of our own eventual demise. Look at what we feed ourselves by way of news reports. There is an endless facination with death and misery. How often to we dine on good news?

We are all going to the same end and we know it. However our brains don't often allow us to do what is necessary to preserve our butts. We stand around and argue whether the fire will reach us or the river will rise enough to wash us away. Manana she is good enough for me.....

We rely too heavily on some other poor slob with a title to make the decisions for us. After all, he/she got the job because because of their qualifications. Sadly, not often the case. Ever been on a committee trying to decide on what color to paint the committee room? Who's right? Often the one with the biggest mouth.

Climate has gone through HUGE changes over the millennia. Animals (us included) adapt or perish. It's a simple rule. no arguing is needed.

The Human race has enormous potential to do good or evil. Somehow we must strike a bargain between the two and try to err on the side of good.

The planet does not need Humans, we need the planet. As a sign in a national park once read: Leave this place better than the way you found it.

Ross_7

Roland

The fact is that we are capable to make changes while other species are not. We can alter our course and unlike the ants we now have no where to run.

While the substance of your post strongly hints at our ultimate demise I truly believe that we know not the time nor the place.

While waitng why not respond positively by cleaning up our air, water and land. We can make a difference and should make a difference. Without rules and mandates we do not have structure. Without structure we do not have similar goals. Those who think rules and laws are a burden should get involved in the process in order to make those rules and laws sound and uniformly applied.

Yes there is corruption and greed yet only we (and we is the key) can correct all this. Time to stop expecting others to do it for us. Our ability to communicate and share has never been better, we almost all have information at our fingertips. Time to step forward and not only get involved but make a difference!

Rich K

Roland_15

Global Arguing--A Challenge

http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml

At the above link, you can get in contact with your elected officials and tell them what YOU want to THEM to do about Global Warming. Be polite but firm. It will scare the hell out of them if enough "We the people.." do this.

A little help to get you started:

http://www.trimonline.org/congress/tools/how_communicate.htm

http://ceenet.msue.msu.edu/home/strategicommunications/Tips_for_sharing_YOUR_Views_With_Public_Officials.pdf