System 2000

Charlie from wmass

seems folks love them or hate them. They may be eficant but the ones I have come accross were done by less than top notch installers. The last one was 100k natural gas in a 3000 square foot home with 1800 construction. not many boilers could have heated this one being that undersized. The house never got above 55 in from dec to jan unless it warmed up outside. I think if properly installed they may be good, just the ones I see are not, guess that is why i get to see them.

Tony_25

System 2000 Boiler

A friend is thinking of having a System 2000 boiler installed. I really don't know that much about it. I think its a steel boiler with a Beckett burner. I know it comes with a storage tank for hot water. He claims it is more efficent than boilers that are out there now. Anyone have any experience with one.

Robert O'Brien

Yes

There's a lot more to it than a steel boiler with a Beckett.It is the most efficient oil boiler available.Attached is a Brookhaven Lab study

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Tony_25

Robert

Sorry I wasn't able to open that file. Could you tell me more about it?

steve_184

great boiler

the system 2000 is extremely efficient and very quiet. Lewis oil installs them and they do really nice work. not a difficult boiler to work on either... and what would you like to know about it ?

Robert O'Brien

I

emailed the paper to you.Basically BNL tested various configurations of combined heat/DHW systems which AFUE does a very poor job of comparing.System 2000 came out on top,their control basically eliminates idle loss.Some people can't get past the unfair bad rap dry base boilers have given to steel as a boiler material,a low mass CI triple pass with ODR would be the choice is those situations

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laurence salvatore_2

Don't, don't lets start.

Rocky_3

more an issue of boiler sizing

rather than boiler brand.

Rocky

Jeff_113

Also an Issue

Also an issue is the Company that makes them.

It's a small outfit, with good and bad people. The problem is that the bad make them VERY DIFFICULT to deal with. Interesting product though. We gave it a shot.

We started advertising the System 2000. Spent a considerable amount of money on print and radio ads. The manufacturer's employee was a wingnut and reneged on their co-op advertising promises, which stuck us with a big bill.

Just left a very bad taste in our mouths. We won't go near them now.

Charlie from wmass

well I also have issuses on the construction of the boiler

The things is what I find so wrong about the way these boilers are made is also some of the sales points they use when promoting their product. I say a bag of sheet steel sandwiched between to over sized fire bricks does not make a boiler. I have been told this makes me very old fashoned. I have also been told that expecting a boiler to last longer than an economy car is also unrealistic. I am well aware of heat transfer physics and the positives of these units. I also believe they are throwaway boilers. There are many other options with more main stream parts avalibility out there that if wired and piped properly can reach the same or I would say better end results. Smith, WEil Mclain, Utica, Peerless, Buderus, and many more offer products I would put miles ahead of these units. I have also stated I only get to see the bad ones.

kpc_16

I have seen some...

misaappied. Lots of standing Ci radiation w/ minimal boiler protection. The other question I have is...they often show the boiler making DHW w/ a flatplate. and a broze circ. Is this the ONLY way you can make hot water off this boiler. ..could you hook up the control to run w/ a Superstor or a TT/Phase 3? kpc

Robert O'Brien

Kevin

You can use any conventional indirect you'd like.At first I felt the same way but after using the flat plate I like it better than an indirect, assuming good water quality.

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kpc_16

water quality...

would be key...no tolerance for much of anything in a flat plate....what advantages do you see over a convetional indirect?

Robert O'Brien

The dip tube

is short in the storage tank to allow the boiler to be purged of temp,can't do that with an indirect.Much greater heat transfer with a flat plate,the boiler and domestic water are both moving through the exchanger.An indirect depends solely on convection.It's cheaper and easier to change either a flat plate or storage tank than an indirect.

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Steve Eayrs_2

throw away boilers???

You must see only bad installs!! Have installed over 350 of the EK boilers since 1990, and have not seen one of them needing replaced.
Also yes plate heat exchangers can plug up faster with bad water, and there are indirect options you can use, BUT unlike a lot of the standard boilers, EK has a control statagy that works great when applied. If you start retrofying things to do it like you've always done, you will simply will not be applying the things that make them work great. Stick to the plan they spent a lot of time coming up with and you will not be disappointed.

Steve

kpc_16

the control...

is clarely what makes the system work. Curois to see how is would work on a low mas Ci boiler like a Biasi on a gas teledyne. What is the stack temp of the EK2K usually?

Robert O'Brien

Kevin

I've installed 2 Biasi B10-3 with HW AQ 2000 controls that purge the boiler temp almost to ambient.The customers are quite happy with them and oil consumption is down about 30% on one and over 40% on the other. I can say an EK is a much easier install and alot less wiring!

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As far as system 2000 being a throw awy boiler I have seen many out there that are from the first generation in the early 80's .They need regular maintenance like any other boiler out there, without it yes they will fail prematurely. In the case of CI radiation they offer a large water voume loop which is basically a primary secondary loop.

Ronnie_2

Right on Mike

I replaced an EK-1 last year that had failed, it was 10 years old after walking around the house I realized that it was all CI rads and baseboard on 1 zone with no large water volume loop,I was very surprised that it lasted that long,it was condensing very bad!!!! We called EK they sent us a new boiler which they did not have to do.....Then I repiped it with a LWVL,and my company picked up the bill for labor and parts....so we had a very happy customer,I went back to clean it this year and it is was perfect.