a good oil transfer pump

kubiak

I am looking for a good pump for pumping out oil tanks inside a residence. the one i had finally died and all i can seem to find is the ones that say for water use but everybody uses for oil. they burn out quick and i would rather spend some extra coin and get a faster better pump which would save me time on jobs. thanks for the help in advance.

Robert O'Brien

http://www.hamcotanksystems.com/product_pumpbox.php

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Unknown

Fuel oil pump,

$710 bucks?,, most guys I know use a new water jet pump about $150(do many before it fails), you must move alot of oil.
Besides, I thought transferring from one tank to another tank was a no-no?

kubiak

thanks robert i think that is the way to go.

Robert O'Brien

In a perfect world

"Besides, I thought transferring from one tank to another tank was a no-no?"
It is,but what if they don't want to pay to have $800 worth of oil hauled away?To be honest,given the quality of heating oil currently, within two years the tank with new oil and the pumped over one will be the same.Where did the $%^* in the old tank come from?What will keep the new one from the same?



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Unknown

Perfect world?

true Robert, and I agree 2 wrongs don`t make a right,, guess it`s up to the lawyers & insurance companies,, hope kubiak thinks of that when the finger is pointed at him for doing the transfer.
At that point, the cost of the pump will be mute.

Al Gregory

most tanks leak after an oil delivery. I dont know anyone that is going to throw away a tank of oil now a days. Keep the hose a cpl inches off the bottom and the oil is clean.

Maine Ken

"most tanks leak after an oil delivery."

HUH?????????

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Unknown

Ditto Maine Ken,

where in the WORLD did that remark come from?
Do you have ANY certification Al?, if so who checks your work because that`s NOT normal!

Al Gregory

Most of the leaking tanks I see have just had an oil delivery. Tanks are old and filling an empty tank stirs the crud that has been plugging the pin holes for years.

Al Gregory

You know this is why I hardly post anymore because people like you with nothing better to do wait to jump on anything you can to make yourself look or feel better. If you have never seen an oil tank leak after a delivery then you need to get a little more time in the field

Unknown

Al,,whether or not,

you post anymore is your problem.
People pay you to install an OT and you say leaks are normal??
Sure wish I could find customers like that!
Don`t try to blame anyone on the Wall for your crappy workmanship!

Nikolasvipam

pumps

Try a jabsco or teel pump.

Al Gregory

I dont know what you are talking about. You dont see leaking oil tanks where you work? I see three or four a month. How can you say I have crappy workmanship? Do you know me? Have you seen my work? I have been in this business running a well respected family business for over 25 years. My father ran it 25 years before me. I use my whole real name on this forum. I am not hiding behind a screen name or just my first name.
I suppose you never saw a leaking boiler in your life either? Your a jerk

Unknown

Hey man,

try to stay cool,,we all have leaks, and I apologize if I sounded like I was condemning you, but the fact remains, we are not paid for leaks!
Am I right, or wrong?

Norm Harvey

I use this http://jmesales.com/item/1/The-Bulldog-Pump.aspx
and love it!


You can buy just the paddle impeller and assembly and supply your own motor and frame if you like.

Al Gregory

You know I think I understand why you and Ken from frosty Maine jumped on me. You probably thought I said most new tanks leak when they are filled. Well your wrong that isnt what I said. I meant that most crappy hanging by a thread tanks will leak after they are filled. Hence the part of my post that said the oil being pumped into the tank disturbs the crud in the bottom of the tank. I just thought that people would know what I meant. I havent had a new tank leak years and dont want to ever again.

Well would love to stay and bicker but got to take the wife out to dinner.

Unknown

Hey Al Gregory,

I took this approach so the thread wouldn`t narrow-off in the nesting process.
Lets get things straight first,, no one jumped on you even though you said "most tanks leak after an oil delivery", if that is NOT what you said, I stand corrected.
Secondly, are OTs not filled on a regular basis?, so how is this statement "the part of my post that said the oil being pumped into the tank disturbs the crud in the bottom of the tank." is to be taken as a leak is OK?
No disrespect intended to your father or yourself, but a leaking oil tank(apparently) caused by an installers workmanship is NOT acceptable by ANY standard I know of.
If I am the jerk here, I accept-it,,,but how can an OT leak (newly installed), be justified by anyone?
Hope your dinner went well!

Jim P

I walked into a job today to look at replacing some baseboard, and when I went into the basement the brand new oil tank has a slight oil stain coming from the top of the tank and running down the side.

Jim

Unknown

Jim,

Would that be acceptable to you?, who`s fault do you suspect that is?
Yet, I`m the jerk?
Gimme a break!

Jim P

I'm not saying anyone is a jerk. I am just stating what I saw today and it kind of fit this thread perfectly

B. Tice

Tanks

Dave, Al was referring to old tanks, not new tanks.I have been in the field for 25 years and find also that tanks tend to leak shortly after a delivery quite often.
I also use Hamco products.

Mike D_8

This thread

You guys all need to chill out!! Its Friday night and if you can be this excitable over a guy asking about an oil transfer pump then you need to relax. I think the Hamco unit looks pretty slick, think about the filtering unit if you want one better.

Unknown

I didn`t mean you Jim,

and Bill, perhaps you`re right. MikeD- Good idea, Thanks!
Al,,, I DO apologize!

Dave

Bob Bona_4

oh yeah.

The hamco pump is like a pony pump on steroids. HUGE impeller. I pump out a full 275 in less than 15 minutes. It's scary how fast it works. 700-800 bux, but so worth it. I got tired of the Teels letting me down.

Maine Ken

No jumping on you Al. You made a blanket statement that appeared to come from left field while the thread is about transfer pumps. I too find saddlebags on tanks of all ages. Usually the piping is barely hand tight and was put together with teflon based products.

Sorry you were so offended by me asking for clarification.

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archibald tuttle

check graingers

go to www.grainger.com (no 's' at the end of grainger)

put FR700 into the search window. That is the pump I use. It has performed well for all kinds of flammable gleck. I don't leave oil anywhere although most folks will want it in the new tank excepting the grog at the bottom that usually makes good fire starter for our winter brush pile conflagrations. If its oil that wants to go away from some gas conversion, I just bring it home and put in my own tank with several filters in line and a little water purge valve installed at bottom of the filter housings to empty out any drop water if my intake pipe is a little off on the oil water separation line.

This pump is $461 (10% off if you're a farm bureau member) There is a slightly different design by same manufacturer FR610 for $390 that probably performs similarly although I can't absolutely vouch for it. (And there is a 12V equivalent of this pump that is obviously meant for dispensing from those 100 gal. pick up tanks that is only $300). I can't remember why I bought the more expensive one, maybe just the suspicion that I occasionally had longer suction lifts and didn't want to buy the bottom of the line when the price difference was only 70 bucks -- or maybe they didn't have the FR610 in stock. I've got two Graingers nearby and needed the pump that day so....

Anway, the FR700 has been a great pump for me. Primes readily -- pumped a 12 ft. lift on the suction side for me -- Has an easy to access gross screen filter and seems to weather sporadic use pretty well.

I bought a bunch of matching unions and put the male half on some different length shafts so I use it for everything from barrel pump to much larger reach. I suppose you could actually encounter a short cellar where you couldn't get a shaft into the top of the tank and would have to use a few lengths pieced together. Then I also took one union end and put a plus into it so once I break the pump off the shaft I can cut the dripping and keep it clean.

Was on a job that was having an underground tank swap for a resale all done by a tank company. They do it all day every day. They had a couple plastic 300 gallon tanks in their truck. Just pumped the oil out of the tank down to about the last 50 gallons and then put it into the new tank because they have truck mounted pumps connected to the tanks. No talk about they don't want this 'old' oil or pumping it around will make it too dirty or anything like that. I move oil mostly for myself but these guys were exceedingly professional, have good reputation, been at it a long time, and it certainly appears to be the standard of the industry here that people are going to keep the oil when they get a new tank.

Lastly, don't know why so much vitriol got spilled over the relatively innocent observation that tank leaks are often manifest after a delivery. I agree the orginal post wasn't as clear as a bell, but given what I've seen it certainly resonated with my experience (and for the average guy who doesn't want to write the kind of novella's I do, I wouldn't jump to conclusions that command such high dudgeon)

I'm not thinking just disturbing rust and sediment that is blocking little corrosion holes, had a house once where the tank split while the it was being filled and he just kept on pumping till about twice the capacity of the tank. That was maybe 20 years back and the standard of the delivery industry has changed - e.g. they regularly set the pumping equipment to limit delivery to expected tank capacity. You could probably also have realized something was wrong in that circumstance by careful attention to the whistle.

OF course another thing that has changes is how wigged homeowners get about that kind of thing. The owner was away for the winter when it happened so he didn't get the most immediate effects so that is fortunate, but didn't really go bonkers upon hearing that there was an oil spill down cellar. The oil company did some clean up and we ended up putting some deodorant bars around and opening the basement windows. But no digging the floor up and going after the oil or anything like that. Ah the good ole days.

But anyway, I never thought Alex meant to imply that a little bit of leaking on a newly installed tank was 'normal' or 'fine'. At minim, I'd ask if that was what he meant instead of jumping down his keyboard. But that is just me...

bill_97

That's how I took it , Al

I knew exactly what you meant . An old oil tank will always give up the ghost right after a delivery .

Anyone want my certification too ?

bill_97

We use the Teels

They work great , as long as you keep up a regular rebuilding schedule .

We hard pipe 3/4 copper to the inlet of the pump and use a heavy duty 1 inch hose on the outlet . The shorter the hose the faster it'll pump . Perfect situation you can have a full tank transferred in 10 minutes .

Maine Ken

"most tanks leak after an oil delivery. I dont know anyone that is going to throw away a tank of oil now a days. Keep the hose a cpl inches off the bottom and the oil is clean."


How could you know what that he meant old tanks from what he posted????

BTW what are the next powerball numbers???



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bill_97

Maine Ken

Do you actually think Al meant most NEW tanks leak after a delivery ? Really ?

C'mon man , this is just common sense .

Maine Ken

Didn't know what he meant. Thats why I asked. Didn't expect to cause such a ruckus either!

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